Thanks!

[fraulein_Maria]

Thank you Peter for creating this space. I hope that those with DES who are already here will begin to post. i have sent an invite to others @<hidden> the yahoo intersexed group. I know of one gal @<hidden> intersexions (the OII group) who may like to come, but i can't post there...

So if anybody still over there can invite Boardwalk Angel to come, i'd appreciate it. :)

[corinanicole]

Hi, I am a des baby. Was googling the subject and found this place. I believe DES plays a role behind my gender issues.

I would like to learn more so I am here.

[Kailana]

but, I should add that I don't know how much any of us can tell you about Des, as I am sure you would have to educate us. MY own knowledge is only breif as it was discussed some in my developmental psychology course. the thread here is fairly new, and some of thought it would be nice to have a place to learn more ourselves as most of us are familiar with intersexed conditions, but less informed about Des, but also thought that we might share some similarities.

[corinanicole]

Hi Kailana,

My knowledge is pretty good in the area. But it dead ends at unproven theories that may never be proven. I was born "male" but by the time I was 5 my mother knew I was not like a boy in behavior.

Later in life I would not really develop as a male either. No adams applem, slight jaw line, short like other women in my family and the list goes on. Just no ambigious genitalia. Which threw my mother for a loop and it scared her.

I was 30 years old when she finally told me about the DES. At the time i thought it was just some small thing but as I learned more I found DES is known as a mutagen. I have a bio chemist friend who also told me it could very well re-write DNA.

It is my belief that I am a form of intersex but land in a very grey area.I have yet to have my chromosomes checked but plan too in a few weeks.

A nurse friend likened DES to a wild card. What it may do to one person it may not do to another. I got the Gender wild card I guess. I suppose that is better than the cancer card it deals to some people.

And we wonder why pregnant mothers should not take anything while pregnant?


but, I should add that I don't know how much any of us can tell you about Des, as I am sure you would have to educate us. MY own knowledge is only breif as it was discussed some in my developmental psychology course. the thread here is fairly new, and some of thought it would be nice to have a place to learn more ourselves as most of us are familiar with intersexed conditions, but less informed about Des, but also thought that we might share some similarities.

[Kailana]

Teratogen: Think i spelled that right, a chemical that interrupts normal development in a fetus. But honestly most I know tends to deal more with developmental anomolies dealing with the kidney's, adrenals, spleen, i don't really recall all what else, but had thought that it could also lead to ambious genitalia, then again that might have to do with the adrenal's or other things being affected.

If you can shed some light, i think alot of us could use some more information on what Des can do to a person.

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=corinanicole;15300]Hi, I am a des baby. Was googling the subject and found this place. I believe DES plays a role behind my gender issues.

I would like to learn more so I am here.

Have you checked out "DESaction.org" ? there really good with the medical and legal stuff, but i noticed that they really didn't offer support (emotional) groups. I became interested when i had a house party for NE intersexed individuals, and in walked "boardwalk angel" :) . I haven't heard from her since and i'm worried. :(

I hope you don't mind if we learn together. though BWA inspired this forum, i know there are other DES babies here.....

now if only they would start posting ;)

[corinanicole]

I will ask my friend what the correct spelling is the next time I see him. He is a bio Chemist so he would know. In fact it is him who really opened my eyes to just how bad DES and other endocrine disruptors are.

DES may not be on the market any more but there is still some bad stuff out there creating just as many problems with the unborn. I will have to start digging up the stuff I have researched on the issue and post it.

But for now I must run. I will check back later.

[Kailana]

was wondering how old you are Corinanicole, thought Des was banned in 1971-1972 or somewhere around there here in the U.S. I don't know if it was still used in other countries at a later date. Kinda had me curious though about your age.

[corinanicole]

I was born in 1966. :)

[Kailana]

but for some reason im feeling better, born in 70 here, but i swear, I really feel alot older. Must just be me bones aching or something. Still :happy68:
your not to old :happydanc not too young :tounge_sm but just might be smexy enough to have lots of fun, :whipg:

sorry I went emote smiley battty there or something.:grouphug0

[corinanicole]

since I lived in the dark most of my life because my mother did not tell me about DES exposure until I was 30, I feel mentally like I am 30 years or a little younger. does that make sense?

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=corinanicole;15510]since I lived in the dark most of my life because my mother did not tell me about DES exposure until I was 30, I feel mentally like I am 30 years or a little younger. does that make sense?

>>> actually, it does. trauma tends to arrest emotional development. If anyones been traumatized, its us! :)

[diana.salameh]

My mother told me early on that my problems were caused by the medications her doctor had given her before she became pregnant with me. She had taken me to the doctor several times to find out why I was not developing normally as the male I appeared to be born. My penis did not develope, I did not develop facial or body hair, I began to develope breast at about age 12 and of course I had always felt like a girl from the beginning so this all felt good to me, but it caused my mother much pain. I began living as a female at age 18 and of all things I took DES myself when I began my transition. I had corrective surgery with Dr. Stanley Biber in Trinidad in 1977 but it was after that that I began to listen to my mother as she told me my condition was her fault, how she had been given DES to help her have a 3rd child after several miscarrages, she wanted a girl after 2 sons. My mother died at age 82 still feeling guilt for having taken the medication that she felt ruined my body. I always tried to let her know that I was who I was for a reason, I was happy and healthy (as far as I know) and felt no ill feelings for her bringing me into this world the only way she knew how. As for medical reasons and tech. mumbo jumbo I am at a loss, I only know what is in my heart. I'm here to learn, share and grow.
Diana Salameh

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=diana.salameh;1 As for medical reasons and tech. mumbo jumbo I am at a loss, I only know what is in my heart. I'm here to learn, share and grow.
Diana Salameh

>>> i asked Peter to create the DES forum just for that purpose...

[Tom/Ms.G]

Karyotype in 2005 - Reference made to us by my mother in the 80's after she explained that her serial miscarriages and spontaneous abortions between my brother (1929) and "we" (1940) were ended by DES.
At the time we were unaware of our xxy status and, altho' we were accepting of our "two spirit" status we simply thought that, "Ah ha, it's the DES causing our two ness." By that time we were quite settled with a Jungian interpretation of our male/female single bodiedness and explained to any who questioned us that we were simply pulling our Anima and our Animus together so that we could evolve.
Most of the time folks hadn't a clue what we were talking about - baffle them with BS - but occasionally we'd run into someone familiar with Jung's Alchemical analysis and boy did we have fun.

Tom/Ms.G

[Peter]

Hi Tom\ Ms. G,

It is good to see you posting here. I fondly remember the days this last summer that we spent together discussing intersex and everything else. I hope your harvest is going well. In response to your PM, I love the new photo of you and Connie.

Peter

[sharonk868]

[QUOTE=corinanicole;15300]Hi, I am a des baby. Was googling the subject and found this place. I believe DES plays a role behind my gender issues.

I would like to learn more so I am here.

Have you checked out "DESaction.org" ? there really good with the medical and legal stuff, but i noticed that they really didn't offer support (emotional) groups. I became interested when i had a house party for NE intersexed individuals, and in walked "boardwalk angel" :) . I haven't heard from her since and i'm worried. :(

I hope you don't mind if we learn together. though BWA inspired this forum, i know there are other DES babies here.....

now if only they would start posting ;)


Thanks you for the post.