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[jevix8525]

I was wondering if there are any story books (fictional and non-fictional) that any of you would recommend. I have only heard of middlesex and didn't want to read it because I heard it was a little degrading to your community.

[Kailana]

it is really a good read, but there is alot that is disturbing, as the author choice 5-Alpha reductase? as the intersexed condition for the main character, and that one does tend to run in small, close knit communities, the inbreeding theme is what makes it hard, and can give the wrong impression about intersexed condition's, fact is he could of chose neighbors you know what i mean, great grandparents didn't have to be brother and sister. <--that is the part that is disturbing to me the most at least.

There are a few other parts that are kinda bad, but not as disturbing to me at least. It was a strong book, very moving, you might enjoy it. I really havent found other books though, Im not familiar with intersex novel story's but would also find them interesting if anyone knows of any.

[The Female Eunuch]

Hi Jevix,

The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl is good, and relevant to the intersex community even though the person it is about is not technically intersexed.

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=jevix8525;15710]I was wondering if there are any story books (fictional and non-fictional) that any of you would recommend.


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The votes are in: marriage is between a man and a woman. What do two young people in love do, if those words don't work for them? Carys and Jami may be girls, but Carys has never willingly worn a dress and Jami, who has, is intersexed. Though being a teenager in love is never easy, for Carys and Jami falling in love with each other is a terrifying journey in self-discovery and, ultimately, trust.

From the Author
The main characters in Fool for Love are two eighteen year old girls, in the final months of high school and home school. (Of course 'girls' is the label applied by the culture in which they live; it's not a label with which either of them is completely happy.)
Jami is intersexed. I am vague about the details, because intersex is a complex topic. I don't want to make it difficult for readers to identify with Jami, and I don't want to bog the story down in esoteric medical details. Jami is into photography, computers and thinking. Her main conflict comes from feeling that she's actually something very different from what she appears to be (a charming and pretty young girl). To step out of that role is to step into danger, on many levels.

Carys falls somewhere between butch dyke and transgender in the genderqueer spectrum. She's a theater person, a clown (literally) and a big Sherlock Holmes fan. Carys has some problems with her parents and with school, where she's in the GSA. As the kind of person who is called "dyke" while she's walking down the street, Carys has a rather different set of issues than Jami.

There are a few fairly emotional scenes as Carys and Jami get to know each other. There is no graphic detail, but I try to hint at the emotional minefield that surrounds the question of sexual intimacy for some people, and what it can mean to be involved with such a person.





This is the story of two people who love each other but don't fit the norm when it comes to what people see in a normal relationship. You know, the guy getting the girl all knocked up in high school and being forced to marry her, destroying any chance of them getting into college and dropping them both in dead end jobs. You know, that kind of normal.
One girl is seen as a lesbian (but she isn't, not really, because she doesn't really know what she is)and one girl is also seen as a lesbian (but she is intersexed which means...well, that's harder to explain). If you don't know what that is, then you're going to learn a lot from this book. Be prepared, some of it isn't pretty.
The story is only unrealistic in the time scale. Everything happens in three months. That's kind of fast to decide you love somebody, want to live with them and plan to skip college while diving right into life. I'm not saying there isn't love at first sight but even the most open minded parents might warn them about going too fast. ALSO, I am not saying everybody needs to go to college but a good college can help in the long run when looking for certain jobs. But I've gone off track...
The book, punished by Lulu.com, is pretty nice, well put together, with cover art by Jade Gordan who is one of the best web artists around. Lisa Lees, the author, seems to have another book, a sequel, already planned and I do look forward to it.

[Trixie]

[quote=jevix8525;15710]I was wondering if there are any story books (fictional and non-fictional) that any of you would recommend.


Fool for Love, at its regular Amazon Price: $12.98
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Two-Day Shipping: FREE

Fool for Love (Paperback)
by Lisa Lees (Author)

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Editorial Reviews
Product Description
The votes are in: marriage is between a man and a woman. What do two young people in love do, if those words don't work for them? Carys and Jami may be girls, but Carys has never willingly worn a dress and Jami, who has, is intersexed. Though being a teenager in love is never easy, for Carys and Jami falling in love with each other is a terrifying journey in self-discovery and, ultimately, trust.

From the Author
The main characters in Fool for Love are two eighteen year old girls, in the final months of high school and home school. (Of course 'girls' is the label applied by the culture in which they live; it's not a label with which either of them is completely happy.)
Jami is intersexed. I am vague about the details, because intersex is a complex topic. I don't want to make it difficult for readers to identify with Jami, and I don't want to bog the story down in esoteric medical details. Jami is into photography, computers and thinking. Her main conflict comes from feeling that she's actually something very different from what she appears to be (a charming and pretty young girl). To step out of that role is to step into danger, on many levels.

Carys falls somewhere between butch dyke and transgender in the genderqueer spectrum. She's a theater person, a clown (literally) and a big Sherlock Holmes fan. Carys has some problems with her parents and with school, where she's in the GSA. As the kind of person who is called "dyke" while she's walking down the street, Carys has a rather different set of issues than Jami.

There are a few fairly emotional scenes as Carys and Jami get to know each other. There is no graphic detail, but I try to hint at the emotional minefield that surrounds the question of sexual intimacy for some people, and what it can mean to be involved with such a person.





This is the story of two people who love each other but don't fit the norm when it comes to what people see in a normal relationship. You know, the guy getting the girl all knocked up in high school and being forced to marry her, destroying any chance of them getting into college and dropping them both in dead end jobs. You know, that kind of normal.
One girl is seen as a lesbian (but she isn't, not really, because she doesn't really know what she is)and one girl is also seen as a lesbian (but she is intersexed which means...well, that's harder to explain). If you don't know what that is, then you're going to learn a lot from this book. Be prepared, some of it isn't pretty.
The story is only unrealistic in the time scale. Everything happens in three months. That's kind of fast to decide you love somebody, want to live with them and plan to skip college while diving right into life. I'm not saying there isn't love at first sight but even the most open minded parents might warn them about going too fast. ALSO, I am not saying everybody needs to go to college but a good college can help in the long run when looking for certain jobs. But I've gone off track...
The book, punished by Lulu.com, is pretty nice, well put together, with cover art by Jade Gordan who is one of the best web artists around. Lisa Lees, the author, seems to have another book, a sequel, already planned and I do look forward to it.


Maria, when you read it, was it believable -- like the author did her research regarding all the issues covered, or did she make a lot of things up. (I hope I made sense in that question)

Emily

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=Trixie;15727][quote=fraulein_Maria;15725]


Maria, when you read it, was it believable -- like the author did her research regarding all the issues covered, or did she make a lot of things up. (I hope I made sense in that question)

>>> i was able to download chapter one for free. been to busy paying bills to buy..... but it is your typical teen-age romance novel formulae with 2 believable main characters.....

meaning we've all met Lesbian's like these 2 before, or been one of them. I wouldn't call it war and peace, but she succeeds on the most basic level.... a good intro to the subject of us...

I may have to buy one... if only for my daughter to read when i try to explain everything. :)

[Kailana]

intersex and identity, by sharon E. Preves,

not a perfect book, as its more of a medical perspective, of what many intersexed people think, and feel about their gender. Offers some comments from people too, I sort of think it is too clinical still, and is well more documentary, medically based, lots of information but it's sort of generic. Doesn't really delve into any specific condition's to be truely helpfull, but does provide some insights with how the medical community treats people, and how the people affected feel towards that treatment.

personally i thought it was just ok, needs a bit more work to make it truely usefull to anyone who really was looking for answers. i feel like it was too edited to fit both current medical practices, to politically correct of a work to make it stand out as a good book.

[The Female Eunuch]

Because of kailana's comments, I have now got Middlesex out of the library and will start reading it when I've finished the novel I'm reading at the moment. I had avoided reading it because the review I read said the scientific/medical basis of it was pure fantasy. But now I think perhaps the reviewer was one of those people who assumes all intersex conditions are fantasy.