PAISWoman
08-28-08, 08:32 AM
I have too.
Technically anyone who has a diagnosed intersexed condition, is to never be identified or qualify to meet a transsexual diagnosis. The intersexed condition overrules, a TS diagnosis. Now those Guidelines for meeting a TS diagnosis are very old, but they were meant to be used for clearly biological men or women who felt they were in the wrong body. <---the simple version. Now having an intersexed condition, could also be used to explain having a Gender Identity Disorder, but when that was used it was also called having a Gender Identity Disorder due to an Intersexed Condition, and those patients were still labelled as Intersexed and not as Transsexual, the Transsexual diagnosis was never meant to be used on anyone who has an Intersexed condition. Should a intersexed person choose to Reasign there Gender to the gender appropriate to them, or if a doctor or parent chose to have a child's gender changed, the surgery was reffered to as Gender Reasignment Surgery (GRS), that terminology only applied to the intersexed, and what ever surgery to assign the gender of a child, or person was legally recognised as that persons official legal gender, and that was all medically found to be socially acceptable, final word of law. you were a boy or girl, if that is what the doctors assigned you as.
The issue about whether a person is Trans or IS, was never to be used together. Legally, a person who is IS is whatever the final Gender is assigned as, unfortunately, for the TS, there was no corresponding acceptance for a sex reassigned adult, and many states have chosen to not recognise there final gender as legally binding. this is also currently changing, people are trying to get gender status protected, recognised, itll be a few more years i think before all states get with the program.
Stilll though all in all, If a person has an intersexed condition, then they are and will always be intersexed, and are not Transsexual.
Finally I have my answer. I may have asked my question wrong in the post that I started which led to a very heated debate. Nevertheless, Kailana answered the question I had in my head since joining this site for support.
I initally said that I felt like I was both and that what confused me the most was I had a hard time understanding where I fit in. It didn't help any as I searched the internet looking for others and information on intersexed people who identify as being intersexed and transgendered.
Being called a fake and a fraud only made things more complicated as I try to find out how I fit into society as a person with partial AIS grade 1. Here I am being rejected by the intersexed community and being rejected by the transexual community brings back memories of my childhood as I was rejected by both male and female classmate. The I made friends was through sex. That's a different topic that I don't want to talk about in open forum.
But anyway, Having friends that are non-intersexed and non-transsexual slowed my own development because I felt I could not talk about what was happening to me. My so called best friend clearly told me she didn't want to talk about intersexed issues, nor did she believe me eventhough she was there at the doctors office when I was diagnosed. To her, I was just me. When I tried to tell her how wonderful it felt to findly have an answer to why my body was the way it was, not my mind, she just didn't want to hear it. I showed her the paper work the doctor gave me. She read it. She has the same medical science degree I have and she going to nursing school now. So, I had trust that she understood what was being said in the paper work. She gave me my paper work back and told me that it didn't matter, I was just me to her.
A few years later, I went to visit another good friend, she is transexual. I didn't bring my paper work nor do I believe that if I did she would understand what's being said in the paper work. However, when I try to talk about being intersexed we get into a big debate about how she feels that I think that I'm better than her because I have an intersexed condition. So, I've learned never to bring the topic up with her. But, there are certain issues that I've noticed are very common with transexual women which I can't relate too. There are issues that I go through which she can't relate too. So when she talks about those issues I try my best to listen to her and be supportive as much as I can.
Anyways, Thanks Kailana, I'm starting to find myself regardless if anyone thinks I'm a fraud or a fake. This comment really has helped answer a burning question in my mind.
Technically anyone who has a diagnosed intersexed condition, is to never be identified or qualify to meet a transsexual diagnosis. The intersexed condition overrules, a TS diagnosis. Now those Guidelines for meeting a TS diagnosis are very old, but they were meant to be used for clearly biological men or women who felt they were in the wrong body. <---the simple version. Now having an intersexed condition, could also be used to explain having a Gender Identity Disorder, but when that was used it was also called having a Gender Identity Disorder due to an Intersexed Condition, and those patients were still labelled as Intersexed and not as Transsexual, the Transsexual diagnosis was never meant to be used on anyone who has an Intersexed condition. Should a intersexed person choose to Reasign there Gender to the gender appropriate to them, or if a doctor or parent chose to have a child's gender changed, the surgery was reffered to as Gender Reasignment Surgery (GRS), that terminology only applied to the intersexed, and what ever surgery to assign the gender of a child, or person was legally recognised as that persons official legal gender, and that was all medically found to be socially acceptable, final word of law. you were a boy or girl, if that is what the doctors assigned you as.
The issue about whether a person is Trans or IS, was never to be used together. Legally, a person who is IS is whatever the final Gender is assigned as, unfortunately, for the TS, there was no corresponding acceptance for a sex reassigned adult, and many states have chosen to not recognise there final gender as legally binding. this is also currently changing, people are trying to get gender status protected, recognised, itll be a few more years i think before all states get with the program.
Stilll though all in all, If a person has an intersexed condition, then they are and will always be intersexed, and are not Transsexual.
Finally I have my answer. I may have asked my question wrong in the post that I started which led to a very heated debate. Nevertheless, Kailana answered the question I had in my head since joining this site for support.
I initally said that I felt like I was both and that what confused me the most was I had a hard time understanding where I fit in. It didn't help any as I searched the internet looking for others and information on intersexed people who identify as being intersexed and transgendered.
Being called a fake and a fraud only made things more complicated as I try to find out how I fit into society as a person with partial AIS grade 1. Here I am being rejected by the intersexed community and being rejected by the transexual community brings back memories of my childhood as I was rejected by both male and female classmate. The I made friends was through sex. That's a different topic that I don't want to talk about in open forum.
But anyway, Having friends that are non-intersexed and non-transsexual slowed my own development because I felt I could not talk about what was happening to me. My so called best friend clearly told me she didn't want to talk about intersexed issues, nor did she believe me eventhough she was there at the doctors office when I was diagnosed. To her, I was just me. When I tried to tell her how wonderful it felt to findly have an answer to why my body was the way it was, not my mind, she just didn't want to hear it. I showed her the paper work the doctor gave me. She read it. She has the same medical science degree I have and she going to nursing school now. So, I had trust that she understood what was being said in the paper work. She gave me my paper work back and told me that it didn't matter, I was just me to her.
A few years later, I went to visit another good friend, she is transexual. I didn't bring my paper work nor do I believe that if I did she would understand what's being said in the paper work. However, when I try to talk about being intersexed we get into a big debate about how she feels that I think that I'm better than her because I have an intersexed condition. So, I've learned never to bring the topic up with her. But, there are certain issues that I've noticed are very common with transexual women which I can't relate too. There are issues that I go through which she can't relate too. So when she talks about those issues I try my best to listen to her and be supportive as much as I can.
Anyways, Thanks Kailana, I'm starting to find myself regardless if anyone thinks I'm a fraud or a fake. This comment really has helped answer a burning question in my mind.