intersex in oklahoma?

[OkieDokie]

Hello all, if any of you are in or near OKC, please drop me a line, I will buy you a cup o' joe at starbucks and you will make a new friend.

[prince....ss?]

Thanks I will keep that in mind...That state always makes me want to break out in song:smile:

Same here I'm in Virginia.

[roguekiwixxy]

Hello all, if any of you are in or near OKC, please drop me a line, I will buy you a cup o' joe at starbucks and you will make a new friend.


You are only allowed to post URLs to other sites after you have made 5 posts or more.

[roguekiwixxy]

Hello all, if any of you are in or near OKC, please drop me a line, I will buy you a cup o' joe at starbucks and you will make a new friend.

Thius msystem will not let me reply!!!!!!!

[Kailana]

welcome to BLO, hope you enjoy your stay,

and well welcome duckslammer, sorry i threw all the hellos together.

it is always good to have new people come in and throw in their two cents of opinions.

I am glad you found the BLO forum.

[kamododragon]

welcome to BLO, hope you enjoy your stay,

and well welcome duckslammer, sorry i threw all the hellos together.

it is always good to have new people come in and throw in their two cents of opinions.

I am glad you found the BLO forum.

Kailana, Just remember that Dukslammer is one of those from XXYTALK.

[Kailana]

plenty of us use many other intersex forums to find information and share our experiences. I actually think if another forum is helpfull then its good that people share their experiences with them. I have visited XXYtalk but its been many years, I didn't stay around as I didn't really relate with many. Also had some issues once Gaven was kicked. Which is a shame as peaceandparty is pretty neat to know. does alot of work on showing another side to XXY that many XXY do not share. I call it self awareness and variation really, not everyone is gonna think the same as everyone else with the same condition.

[kamododragon]

plenty of us use many other intersex forums to find information and share our experiences. I actually think if another forum is helpfull then its good that people share their experiences with them. I have visited XXYtalk but its been many years, I didn't stay around as I didn't really relate with many. Also had some issues once Gaven was kicked. Which is a shame as peaceandparty is pretty neat to know. does alot of work on showing another side to XXY that many XXY do not share. I call it self awareness and variation really, not everyone is gonna think the same as everyone else with the same condition.

their's no problem. It's a matter of trusting them and a matter of knowing why they came in here. I harbor some deep distrust of anyone from XXYTALK because of what they are doing in here. I still don't trust anyone from XXYTALK because what they did to me and I wouldn't even trust them or hear what they say.

[roguekiwixxy]

plenty of us use many other intersex forums to find information and share our experiences. I actually think if another forum is helpfull then its good that people share their experiences with them. I have visited XXYtalk but its been many years, I didn't stay around as I didn't really relate with many. Also had some issues once Gaven was kicked. Which is a shame as peaceandparty is pretty neat to know. does alot of work on showing another side to XXY that many XXY do not share. I call it self awareness and variation really, not everyone is gonna think the same as everyone else with the same condition.

Yeah I bumbed into Gavan on You Tube, interesting fellow, but why doesn't he come here to chat? There are plenty of places he could go but he insists on trying to get back into XXYTALK, and they're never gong to let him in, well maybe not NEVER, but not in the short term.

But both sides are keeping silent as to whyb he was chucked, you know precisely,, which suggests to me thatv they're both wrong!!! 8)

[roguekiwixxy]

plenty of us use many other intersex forums to find information and share our experiences. I actually think if another forum is helpfull then its good that people share their experiences with them. I have visited XXYtalk

My stated reason to come to this forum was to stop komodragon from hurting more really nice people, his whole attitude is just plain nasty, and he knows it. It's his srtrategy to get people to chat to him, whereas the best thing to do is talk about him, which is what he does, and then only reply to his posts that are sensible. And I did ask him directly if he wanted to have a sensible chat and I got no reply, because he doesn't want to be sensible, maybe he thinks he's a boring person?

Like to say that transgenderd people ae not entitled to human rights is just pathetic. But what's even more pathetic isn thatv he's not interested in talking about his posts of that nature, he just waits form the expected flash back and then he's on a roll, generating harted.

He's behaving like an unloved child but he's an adult so treat him like a child and see if he can respond like an adult. Otherwise, ignore him.

[JOS]

I think peaceandparty started his own forum? but he seems to pop back here occasionally.

roguekiwixxy, you make a lot of sense... I like that calmness, thank you for bringing it back here :D

[roguekiwixxy]

I think peaceandparty started his own forum? but he seems to pop back here occasionally.

roguekiwixxy, you make a lot of sense... I like that calmness, thank you for bringing it back here :D


Oh Jos I am by no means always calm, I get very passionate at times about certain things, but thank you for the compliment.

Gavan hasn't started his own forum so far as I know, and I'm in regular contact with him. He has been invited to XXYLIST on Yahoo Groups, that I started about 10 years ago, but he's never shown up.

He does have a few problems you know, his worst one being he doesn't keep private things private, in fact he'll even make videos revealing private information he got from other XXY's that they find really embarrassing. And he hates being told off about that.

But he does have a really interesting perspective, he's definitely worth chatting with. We just have to find some way to modify his responses.

[JOS]

he mentioned

http://xxwise.freeforums.org

but I think I might have just assumed... oops

He does seem a very.... enthusiastic person :-D

I get very passionate at times

and there is nothing wrong with passion... unfortunately, I can't seem to summon the energy for it myself these days... but if there is a way I can help you along with your quest, I'll do my best to try.

I've understood that learning difficulties can be a sign.... and that later, body shape (inc. hairlessness) and fertility are indicitive... any other signs?

[roguekiwixxy]

I've understood that learning difficulties can be a sign.... and that later, body shape (inc. hairlessness) and fertility are indicitive... any other signs?

Then only thing that is known to be there is the LD's prior to puberty, so that's where to olook,, that's where I look,and that's whee I find us.

I'll post sopmething here I wrote in XXYTALK and you could, if you know anyone associated with teaching children with LD's pass it on, there's not a lot else anyone can do but talk about it and pass it on.

[roguekiwixxy]

I've understood that learning difficulties can be a sign.... and that later, body shape (inc. hairlessness) and fertility are indicitive... any other signs?

This is what you can pass on, feel free, please:

These are the features in children that could be used to help find XXY prior to puberty:

We know that XXY's tend to be taller in childhood:

(and I put that one first because I never was so we don't say this child is tall so we test him, no we use a combination or features just like the dcotors do with medical things, so just because one medical thing isn't there is no reason tom asssume they all won't be there.)

We know that many XXY's have some type of educational difficulty or more than one type of educational difficulty:

We know that all children who have some type of educational difficulty can be restless in school or not attend school or cause trouble at school:

We know that depression affects children:

The chances are that if they have an educational problem they will have a behaviour problem:

So these are the children who are going to be the group we should look in first because this is where we often appear.

This is not going to catch every XXY. Every XXY's does not have an educational problem.

But if we don't look we'll never find them, so this looks like a good place to start to me.


Also, I know of 1 case of Anorexia Nervosa assoicated with XXY. I'd think it worth while to have experts look into teenage boys suspected of that.

[JOS]

and one who teaches exclusively to those with LD!
I'll pass this on :-)

But one thing... once identified... does "treatment" help with those LD or does it just help in the sense of understanding and support?

[roguekiwixxy]

and one who teaches exclusively to those with LD!
I'll pass this on :-)

But one thing... once identified... does "treatment" help with those LD or does it just help in the sense of understanding and support?


Yes actually, yes, treatment does assist the learning process in XXY's by giving them more energy to learn with. It's not all encompassing help but it's a start, and any help is better than no help.

Also, there are XXX females who could also benefit from an early diagnosis whom you could be teaching right now, that's exciting eh!

This BLO is turning out such a wonderful place to come to.

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=roguekiwixxy;17221]

This BLO is turning out such a wonderful place to come to.

>>> i'm glad your enjoying it. :) i have to say its made a difference in how i approach my clients, my potential clients, and those who ask for my advice in a professional capacity.

I came to help myself, stayed to help my daughter, and in the process.... in the reading of what many have so generously shared.....

have become better at what i do. <<<

[JOS]

whom you could be teaching right now

I am not a teacher :teach:

but I will pass on this info., of that you can be SURE!

[OkieDokie]

plenty of us use many other intersex forums to find information and share our experiences. I actually think if another forum is helpfull then its good that people share their experiences with them. I have visited XXYtalk but its been many years, I didn't stay around as I didn't really relate with many. Also had some issues once Gaven was kicked.

The original reason I came to this forum was to followup on kamodo (Nick's) recent post on xxytalk that transgender people are subhuman.

I see a lot of Intersex people here validate Nick's hatred. I don't get it. Can they not see, from their own experiences of being denied respect, that hatred of a group based on gender or sexuality is damaging to all of us?

What's up with that?

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=JOS;17223]I am not a teacher :teach:

>>> that's too bad. i think you'd make an excellent one. :) <<<

[roguekiwixxy]

I think peaceandparty started his own forum? but he seems to pop back here occasionally.

roguekiwixxy, you make a lot of sense... I like that calmness, thank you for bringing it back here :D


Hi, you're right, he has his own forum and I've joined it, but I don't think I'll be saying much, if anything. There's this little problem of trust we have to sort out first.

[roguekiwixxy]

I see a lot of Intersex people here validate Nick's hatred. I don't get it. Can they not see, from their own experiences of being denied respect, that hatred of a group based on gender or sexuality is damaging to all of us?

What's up with that?


I'm not interested in going back through posts posted prior to my arrival, is that what you did? I don't see what you see, but I'm pretty blind sometimes.

But if you go to the ISNA people they still have KS&A down as Klinefelter Syndrome and Associates, and they still have all the old KS information there, so things change slowly in the world of PEOPLE.

The ISNA weirdly accepts 45X as an intersex condition but not Kallmanns and not Transgendered / Transsexuals

Apart from the 45X what they say makes sense to me, which doesn't mean to say I'm advocting hating people, there are certain things people do that I certainly do hate.

[roguekiwixxy]

I am not a teacher :teach:

but I will pass on this info., of that you can be SURE!

But you said you teach children with LD's exclusively..or didn't you?

[JOS]

I do know a number of teachers
and one who teaches exclusively to those with LD!

not "I am one who..." sorry to disappoint.
The one I meant is actually an Aunt-in-law... it sounds like a very rewarding job!

duckslammer wrote
I see a lot of Intersex people here validate Nick's hatred.

Do read "back threads"... because I don't recall anyone else "validating" hatred ... just people trying to explain why a person pretending to have the same issues as another doesn't help either party!

Others were talking about specific instances of individuals writing misleading posts, pretending to be experts in something they really were not expert in.... those people were not targeting a specific group in general just some individuals within a group

To show bigotry towards another group is very wrong and I think a number of people took umbrage when the discussion went that way.... I myself felt unable to post at all for a few days because I do not like to react to things until I have calmed down.... incase I make foolish misunderstandings and make matters even worse!!

An aggressive approach does not always solve a problem... as I said to someone else "the bully becomes the victim" and the argument is lost!

Sorry if you think I made bad decisions. I haven't read posts on XXY?!

... what was your motivation to jump into the fray?... what out-come were you expecting... whose opinion do you think you have changed with your points?

I mean not to attack, merely to understand?

Jos

[miriam]

But if you go to the ISNA people they still have KS&A down as Klinefelter Syndrome and Associates, and they still have all the old KS information there, so things change slowly in the world of PEOPLE.

The ISNA weirdly accepts 45X as an intersex condition but not Kallmanns and not Transgendered / Transsexuals


Have you read this: http://www.isna.org/farewell_message

Groeten, Miriam

[CC]

This BLO is turning out such a wonderful place to come to.Only because you've mellowed so much over the years.....10years back I can recall the Kiwi bull in the china shop :) not a pretty sight.....do tell what it was that brought you back to life... ?

Canice

[roguekiwixxy]

Have you read this: http://www.isna.org/farewell_message

Groeten, Miriam


Obviously not carefully enough. When I read they were closed I thought they meant 'closed for the weekend', :-o I didn't bother reading any further, do you know XXY's are noted for misreading? That'll be the second time of considerable note this week, just ask Prince....ss?

[CC]

Hello all, if any of you are in or near OKC, please drop me a line, I will buy you a cup o' joe at starbucks and you will make a new friend.

Hello David....didn't see you come in,I guess you must have jumped the back wall, you sneaky bugger :whipg:

Good to see you here my friend and hope all is well in OKC......I might surprise you one day and take you up on that offer.....

[CC]

Obviously not carefully enough. When I read they were closed I thought they meant 'closed for the weekend Only :sheep: :sheep: :sheep: come to mind :)

[roguekiwixxy]

:wave1: Only :sheep: :sheep: come to mind :):wave1:


You're never going to get over that are you?

[OkieDokie]

Hello David....didn't see you come in,I guess you must have jumped the back wall, you sneaky bugger :whipg:

Good to see you here my friend and hope all is well in OKC......I might surprise you one day and take you up on that offer.....
Canice, I will take photos of the place soon, hopefully before autumn comes on and all the leaves go off the trees... I have a spare bedroom for you. Your wife is invited too. You have no idea how serious I am. My aussie friend Di Bartlett (xxylist) came a few years ago and stayed for a week. We had a great time.

[The Female Eunuch]

You're never going to get over that are you?

I've never understood why australians always seem to be thinking about sheep

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=The Female Eunuch;17394]I've never understood why australians always seem to be thinking about sheep

>>> we've got lots here in NH, but i think its better goat country. i did learn to rangle sheep over the summer, and our instructor had learned in NZ and worked down under. i did better than many on my first try, but i think i'm disadvantaged by having short legs (large dwarf here ;) for the task. i think i'll stick to goats.... its udderly rediculous for sure, but i like the milk ;) <<<

[OkieDokie]

I have just read the original report by Klinefelter, Reifenstein, and Albright. It is quite interesting. You won't find it on the net. A friend of mine found it in a rare books store and typed it into her computer. I have to get her permission to post it as she has spent a fair amount of time and money on it.

[CC]

I will take photos of the place soon, hopefully before autumn comes on and all the leaves go off the trees... I have a spare bedroom for you. Your wife is invited too. You have no idea how serious I am. My aussie friend Di Bartlett (xxylist) came a few years ago and stayed for a week. We had a great time.

Yes, please take some pictures t'would be good to see the homestead you speak so highly of.Over the years following my diagnoses of xxy,I have come to know many people throughout the world,some in your country,one or two in Canada,a couple in Ireland/England and a couple in Europe,several in Australia and not forgetting the one or two,across the ditch.I'm due for a trip back to the old country next year and with a bit of forward planning :lightbulb (something I'm hopeless at doing) I'll try and arrange connecting flights so as to fly through North America......leave it with me and I''ll keep you posted.

What ever happen to Di ? I know yourself,Matts and one or two others were very friendly with her,I personally didn't know her, nor her connection with xxy

[CC]

I've never understood why australians always seem to be thinking about sheep

Would you believe,only when there's Kiwis about :outtahere:happy45:

[CC]

ts udderly rediculous for sure, but i like the milk ......of a Mediterranean/Middle Eastern background perhaps ?

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=CC;17409]......of a Mediterranean/Middle Eastern background perhaps

>>>> oh i don't know..... spain and france for my maternal grandfather...

spain and sephardim my maternal grandmother.....

my father thinks he's pure Pole... except that my family name is a place name of a jewish ghetto in Poland.... and 1/3rd of ashkenazi's carry the gene for CAH.....

[OkieDokie]

Lady Di still reads and posts on xxylist; she posted recently when Graeme had just come on. She is the mother of an xxy.

Connecting flights through north america will not bring you to oklahoma directly as our city is not a hub. However if you will let me know what you have in mind I will help you make plans that will bring you to me. The best months to come in would be May and September, and May would be the best - springtime here, past the cold season but prior to the heat. If you have interest in the history of the american west, there is plenty of that, plus some fascinating geological features.