Cah 45x/46xy

[roguekiwixxy]

I just did a search for this combination at the British Medical Journal and the resut was:

Your search criteria matched no articles


So I have to start over, never mind, back soon.

[roguekiwixxy]

I just did a search for this combination at the British Medical Journal and the resut was:

Your search criteria matched no articles


So I have to start over, never mind, back soon.

Expanded the search crirteria to 45X/46XY mosaic turner - and got:

Your search criteria matched no articles

[roguekiwixxy]

Expanded the search crirteria to 45X/46XY mosaic turner - and got:

Your search criteria matched no articles

Reduced search crirteria to 'mosaic turner' and got

http://adc.bmj.com/icons/shared/misc/prev.gifPrev 10 (http://adc.bmj.com/cgi/search?FIRSTINDEX=10&tyear=2008&resourcetype=1%2C10&tmonth=Oct&sortspec=relevance&fulltext=mosaic+turner&andorexacttitleabs=or&hitsbrief=25&fmonth=Jan&sendit=Search&fyear=1973&fdatedef=1+January+1973&hits=10&titleabstract=mosaic+turner&sortspecbrief=relevance&andorexacttitle=or&journalcode=all&andorexactfulltext=or&RESULTFORMAT=1&tdatedef=1+October+2008&title=mosaic+turner)http://adc.bmj.com/icons/spacer.gifhttp://adc.bmj.com/icons/spacer.gifResults 21-29 (of 29 found)http://adc.bmj.com/icons/spacer.gif

None so far mention 45X/46XY

Still searcing.

[roguekiwixxy]

Reduced search crirteria to 'mosaic turner' and got

http://adc.bmj.com/icons/shared/misc/prev.gifPrev 10 (http://adc.bmj.com/cgi/search?FIRSTINDEX=10&tyear=2008&resourcetype=1%2C10&tmonth=Oct&sortspec=relevance&fulltext=mosaic+turner&andorexacttitleabs=or&hitsbrief=25&fmonth=Jan&sendit=Search&fyear=1973&fdatedef=1+January+1973&hits=10&titleabstract=mosaic+turner&sortspecbrief=relevance&andorexacttitle=or&journalcode=all&andorexactfulltext=or&RESULTFORMAT=1&tdatedef=1+October+2008&title=mosaic+turner)http://adc.bmj.com/icons/spacer.gifhttp://adc.bmj.com/icons/spacer.gifResults 21-29 (of 29 found)http://adc.bmj.com/icons/spacer.gif

None so far mention 45X/46XY

Still searcing.

Changed search criteria to:

Turner Moasic Male - and got

Your search criteria matched no articles

[roguekiwixxy]

Changed search criteria to:

Turner Moasic Male - and got

Your search criteria matched no articles

Changed search criteria to CAH Turner syndrome - and got:

Your search criteria matched no articles

[roguekiwixxy]

Changed search criteria to CAH Turner syndrome - and got:

Your search criteria matched no articles

Changed search criteria to:

My search criteria:
CAH Turner Syndrome (any words in title)
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Jan 1973 through Oct 2008

and got:

Results 1-10 (of 871 found)

Still looking for CAH associated with Turner, not found one yet.

[roguekiwixxy]

Changed search criteria to:

My search criteria:
CAH Turner Syndrome (any words in title)
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Jan 1973 through Oct 2008

and got:

Results 1-10 (of 871 found)

Still looking for CAH associated with Turner, not found one yet.

Bad idea to search for 'Syndrome' redefine search, search for CAH associated with Turner

[roguekiwixxy]

Bad idea to search for 'Syndrome' redefine search, search for CAH associated with Turner

There are no article at the BMJ that have any assoociation with 45X/46XX Turner Mosaic Male, or any association with CAH + 45X/46XX
or any association with Turner + CAH

Still looking.

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=roguekiwixxy;17664]Changed search criteria to:


[SIZE=1]Still looking for CAH associated with Turner, not found one yet.

>> but you may find it. you may even find it associated with XXY, because the cause of CAH is not on any of the "sex" chromosomes, but the somatic (body) ones.

that being said, an XO with CAH would virilize... how much would depend on the type of CAH.

an XXY would also virilize, and in fact might hide the the symptoms of KS as i think you have described them (just theorizing that part though).

the forms of CAH that make XY babies ambiguous used to kill them (which is why you won't find one over the age of 60) and the virilizing forms could be equally fatal to them if not discovered in time.... its theorized that many "crib deaths" before the 60's were unDx'ed CAH.

XY babies of all sorts are just more fragile all the way around than us XX'ers, and there is just no getting around that sad truth. <<<

[roguekiwixxy]

There are no article at the BMJ that have any assoociation with 45X/46XX Turner Mosaic Male, or any association with CAH + 45X/46XX
or any association with Turner + CAH

Still looking.


Searched for Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia and got 36 artiles none of which are associated with 45X/46XY or Turner's syndrome, or Turner Mosaic Male, in fact there ar no artiles about Turnber Mosaic Males.

Oh well, wonder what the Lancet has got?

[fraulein_Maria]

Oh well, wonder what the Lancet has got?

>>> since NYC is CAH mecca, you may wish to search medical journals from the university hospitals there...

after all, 1/3rd ashkenazi jews are carriers....
czechs, hispanics, and italians make up most of the rest...

and where in the world would any of those people intermarry (at all) without realizing it might not be a good idea....

:musical_n New York, New YORK! a hell of a town!

the bronx is up, and the battery's down! :musical_n :)

[roguekiwixxy]

Searched for Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia and got 36 artiles none of which are associated with 45X/46XY or Turner's syndrome, or Turner Mosaic Male, in fact there ar no artiles about Turnber Mosaic Males.

Oh well, wonder what the Lancet has got?

As a chcek to see if the serch was working I searched for: Klinefelter syndrome 47XXY and got: 869 articles

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[roguekiwixxy]

>>> since NYC is CAH mecca, you may wish to search medical journals from the university hospitals there...:musical_n :)

But I'm a memeber of the British Medical Journal, they give me stuff for FREE. :teach:

If the BMJ doesn't a clue...ahhh....someone else can find it, searching is BORING.

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=roguekiwixxy;17674]But I'm a memeber of the British Medical Journal, they give me stuff for FREE. :teach:

>>> you could also search www.caresfoundation.org


AKA: CARES Congenital Adrenalhyperplasia Research, Education, and Service foundation.

though they despicably support IGM, there medical data is top notch, and FREE.

[The Female Eunuch]

Graeme wrote:
Searched for Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia and got 36 artiles none of which are associated with 45X/46XY or Turner's syndrome,

I would expect the two conditions to be statistically independent, as come from different chromosome pairs. With neither being particularly common, I wouldn't expect the combination to be common enough for anyone to have written a paper on it.

cheers,
Caroline

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=The Female Eunuch;17677] With neither being particularly common, I wouldn't expect the combination to be common enough for anyone to have written a paper on it.

>>> actually, it would be MORE, not less likely to be written up for a journal, should such a Dx be made. the doctor that first saw it would definately want the credit, accolades, and research grant money that would come to him/her for it.

my Dx was written up in a newletter by Dr. Herzog, just because of how unusual it is for CAH's to not have facial hair.

the explanation is rather simple, and he felt important enough to remind the rest of the academic community about.

[Peter]

I did a Google search on "CAH 45X\46XY" and found two matches. However, the two matches were to this thread about searching for a match for the term "CAH 45X\46XY". I think that something along these lines could be a great plot line for a Hollywood thriller movie.

Peter

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=Peter;17689]I did a Google search on "CAH 45X\46XY" and found two matches. However, the two matches were to this thread about searching for a match for the term "CAH 45X\46XY". I think that something along these lines could be a great plot line for a Hollywood thriller movie.

>>> wasn't it called, "wag the dog"? <<<

[JOS]

Peter, that is soooooo funny:grin:

I did a Google search on "CAH 45X\46XY" and found two matches. However, the two matches were to this thread about searching for a match for the term "CAH 45X\46XY".

And it really is quite scary.... I did mention that my first oncologist said he couldn't recall anything about AIS and so the info. he told me was from a google search.

I wonder if that led him here too?

Brilliant... that's made my day hahaha

Can anyone join in this game?

[Onnineko]

I'm not sure which is worse... visiting the doctor to hear what she has discovered in the "journals of science"...

...or sitting down to write the next weeks installment.

I've since stopped writing about various topics related to the biology of XXY. However, this is regretful, since my doctor has not seen fit to report any of the rest of the wonderfully accurate and useful information such as I occasionally find in various journals and medical texts.

This only shows us the disconnect that everyone has between the usefullness of a medical text (dry to the extreme and quite dull to read), and the hustle of everyday life. Even those respected Doctors still need someone to translate the messages left by others, to rot in a text, unseen in decades.

Oh well.. :)

[Kailana]

If you want to find information, that is available for all to see, then go to a college campus and use their college campus library computers for researching. College campus have access to tons of information that is not publicly shared online.

If you are not a member of a group such as the New England Journal of Medicine, then there is no way for any of us to check what Graeme found within any of those studies he says had no mention of 45X/46XY, which I actually doubt, because most studies will actually say right in them that 45X/46/XY were not included within their study becuase there is too much variation amongst a 45X/46XY karyotype and that variation is what can lead to a medical missdiagnosis because a Turners Mosaic Male, may only have some symptoms common to Turners.

There are many reported cases of Turners Mosaic Males, several studies as well, some of which i happen to like, as they go into a whole lot of detail and explain which patients were reassigned and why, explained how each gonadol development had differed. Some with none, some with ovaries, some with testes, some with 1, some with 1 of each, and those studies/reports/research are the ones that are the most relavent, as they are the ones which concentrate the most as they are the ones who actually care to actually acknowledge that a 45X/46XY Turner's patient can be male, female, and or male/female and can be assigned as female all depending on what developes and usually when ovaries are present, a female assigment is made regardless of whether or not a person carries a a Y chromosome.

For those of you not familiar with the common treatments for intersexed patients TESTES are almost always removed due to the fear of cancer, whether it is a true medical belief or not. And historically within the medical community that person is gonna be raised as female, regardless of there being a Y chromosome present. Such patients are then treated and raised as Turner's Girls.

Graeme, did you actually bother to read any of those results you found? I am only curious by the way, I actually don't care whether you did or not. I only gave you the means to do research if you wanted too. Whether or not you choose to is totally up to you. It really isn't that hard finding information on 45X/46 Turners Mosaic Males. Fact is I have done many times for people who were in my psyche and bio courses after i challenged the professors over their missreporting information to the class on condition's that they my professors are so fond of telling students about, but don't take the time to actually know what they are talking about. If you only include the studies you have found that supports your claims that a 45X/46XY Turners Mosaic Male does not exist, then you will not ever help anyone who happens too be 45X/46XY Turners Mosaic and Male.

Ignorance is not bliss, All ignorance does is prove just how ignorant you actually are.