I just now found you

[GreatBigBore]

Greetings all, I am so sorry that it took me 43 years to discover you, and the fiction of two sexes. I am thrilled to imagine how rich our society would be if we embraced you openly. Oh, uh, please forgive me if I'm not politically correct--I really just learned about you and I'm really excited to say hello.

I also have a thought burning in my mind, and I wonder if someone (or more) of you could help me to pursue it. What really has me burning to reach out to you before even learning what's PC and what's not is California's Prop 8. I have always bitterly hated this offense to the human endeavor.

But it seems that by your very beautiful, fabulous presence among us, you guys totally blow the shit out of Prop 8. How the heck can it even exist? And for that matter, how the heck can words like "male" and "female" even exist in our law and judicial rulings?

So I went to JustAnswer.com and asked a legal professional some questions, but his answers left me cold. Surely some powerful legal mind has considered this question and ruled it out, otherwise it would have been done long ago. So I'm trying to figure out what it is that rules this question out. It seems like such a powerful argument.

I am with you guys 100%. I hope to meet some of you soon.

[proudmama]

I am not familiar with "prop 8". Would you enlighten me please?

Ashley

[GreatBigBore]

I am not familiar with "prop 8". Would you enlighten me please?

Ashley

California Proposition 8 was the shameful ballot measure that recently added the following blasphemy to the state constitution:

"Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

That is absolutely discriminatory against people who are neither male nor female. Basically, California law says that if your parents or ignorant doctors don't force a narrow sex on you without your consent, you can't get married.

[proudmama]

I see... Thank you for sharing that information with me. I am not an intersex individual myself but I have a child that is.

Welcome to the forum! (I forgot to add that in my first post!)

[GreatBigBore]

I see... Thank you for sharing that information with me. I am not an intersex individual myself but I have a child that is.
Right. I saw your first post too. I got lost in jargon before I could really understand where you're at with your child. I feel terrible for your anxiety, but I also think that your concern for your child's best interest is a beautiful thing. The world needs more fantastic proudmamas whose main concerns are the welfare and happiness of their children rather than some ancient morality based in superstition. I want to be involved in supporting your baby in having the same rights as the rest of us, including the right to marry.

My daughter is a traditional girl (hope that's not a PC faux pas), but I have the same feelings as you do:

I struggle daily wondering if I am doing the right thing for my child. I am confused and scared all the time. All that I want is for my baby to know that I am doing the best that I can with the information I have been given. I will let my child be whoever she (or he) wants. I don't care if this baby is male, female, gay, straight or bisexual. I want my baby to know that I will support her in whatever direction she goes. I just want her to be safe and happy.
Ok, I'm not scared all the time, but other than that you expressed my sentiments exactly. Surely that fierce love for our children is far more important than some stupid law implemented by bigots.


--Rob

[proudmama]

My fear stems from the idiocy of the general population in regard to intersex, the lack of compassion and understanding that most people don't care to overcome. Thank you for making this step to educate yourself about this community just because you care about people in general... I wish that more people felt the way that you do. I am guilty of being ignorant about intersex, I was up until my child was born. I always have had compassion for my fellow human beings, regardless of any "differences" from myself, which has helped me tremendously in being steadfast in fight to protect my child (thus far, mainly from doctors trying to "normalize" her). There was no question in my mind that I was given this blessing to make her life as free from shame, secrecy, unacceptance as I possibly can. I will never hide from her how she was born. I will never attempt to make her something other than who she is. I can't wait to find out who that person is but until then, my sole purpose in life is to do my best to protect her and help her find that out (both of my children actually).
Thank you for being another caring individual in this world.

[Aseras]

the problem is there's not enough intersex people. the doctors are generally clueless, much less the general population. That's not going to change, we are a super minority and we are different. things that our society as it is now will not tolerate.

[Kailana]

now we may be a minority, but we do have a voice and we are being heard. There are a great many people over the last 2 decades who have been educated some about our existence. That took a great deal of courage by some amazing people, yes that's right people who happen to be intersex due to various condition's. For those of us younger in our activism, all we should do is continue sharing our stories where we can, to help others like us and those soon to come into the world. Our experiences are important and our thoughts are of value to many. Sharing ourselves and our experiences will help end secrecy and shame where there should be no secrecy or shame.

Thank you GreatBigBore for saying hello. BodiesLikeOurs can be a great resource site for learning, even though we do have our own lil arguements from time to time. I hope you find your time here beneficial and educational.

take care always.

[fraulein_Maria]

[QUOTE=proudmama;22595] I was up until my child was born. I always have had compassion for my fellow human beings, regardless of any "differences" from myself, which has helped me tremendously in being steadfast in fight to protect my child (thus far, mainly from doctors trying to "normalize" her).

>>> and for this we will always be grateful. She may not be, lol, but that's part of growing up... they only figure out what to be grateful for after they get married. :)
In the mean-time, i have a few practical suggestions...

I was born ambiguous and "corrected". My daughter was born ambiguous, and not "corrected." My mother who was born ambiguous and not "corrected" until after her first child was born. From her, i learned modesty, but not shame (that was dad's doing) I was toilet trained before i began school, so no one had to "Help" me in the bathroom. To prevent anyone from "Helping" my daughter, i had her home schooled til she was 8.
In the locker-room, i changed in the toilet. i made sure Gym class was last period, so i could just go home to shower. My sister and i shared a room, but never changed in front of each other, that's what the bathroom was for. I will go with my daughter to her first gyn exam and make sure its a woman.
If anyone at school "discovers" her difference and starts to give her a hard time, i will slap a charge of child molestation on her teacher so fast it will make his/her head spin and teeth rattle. Momma is a tigress, do not mess with my cub! <<<

[louisev]

Greetings all, I am so sorry that it took me 43 years to discover you, and the fiction of two sexes. I am thrilled to imagine how rich our society would be if we embraced you openly. Oh, uh, please forgive me if I'm not politically correct--I really just learned about you and I'm really excited to say hello.

I also have a thought burning in my mind, and I wonder if someone (or more) of you could help me to pursue it. What really has me burning to reach out to you before even learning what's PC and what's not is California's Prop 8. I have always bitterly hated this offense to the human endeavor.
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I am with you guys 100%. I hope to meet some of you soon.

I worked hard and contributed much to the anti-Prop8 campaign, being in California at the time, however the movement had no Harvey Milk to battle the millions streaming in from the unholy alliance of Mormon Church and Catholic Church to make sure to protect their bastions of homophobic power. It will be struck down in due course. there is a deficiency in the California constitution that makes it far too easy to amend it; and if it were more like the federal Constitution such a law would never have passed the sniff test; and so the California constitution gets amendments almost every two years due to the low bar for passage of such trivial and stupid social agendas. It will not happen again, I assure you.

I would like to know since you didn't post in the announcements area, whether you are IS or just a visitor?

[GreatBigBore]

I would like to know since you didn't post in the announcements area, whether you are IS or just a visitor?

Just a fervent supporter.

[galens47]

Hello fervent GreatBigBore,

Nice of you to drop by. I've been squawking about prop8 and intersex since it passed in 2008. I've enjoyed discussions with prop 8 supporters regarding how I should fit into the law and if they considered the collateral damage caused by the blatantly rights violating scumbaggery pushed onto CA.

I tend to avoid politics, instead focusing on changes in medicine. It is hard but rewarding work.

Cheers,

G