claims and presumptions versus personal identity

[peaceandparty]

look at this
a video that features a really respected member of BLO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMmQQLM9TaM

you can look and do nothing because its not happening to you
but i have a philosophy of
all for one and one for all

this is not an isolated event
these virtual stabs are constant
and we need support out of BLO
not just when we come here!


all for one and one for all
such a good philosophy,i say it twice!

[peaceandparty]

beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing!

i wont mention names
but if some people i know are going to be banned from here
then why stop banning when it comes to this "cocky" individual!

they remain anonymous
on here
on youtube i take on all bullies!that i can ,i may add

[XXYGuy]

beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing!

i wont mention names
but if some people i know are going to be banned from here
then why stop banning when it comes to this "cocky" individual!

they remain anonymous
on here
on youtube i take on all bullies!that i can ,i may add

That video has been removed, it's now here, unless whilst I've been viewing another channel has been terminated?

Mishakailana is not respected, she is a liar, she is a fraud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1m4WrbY-so

[XXYGuy]

beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing! i wont mention names but if some people i know are going to be banned from here
then why stop banning when it comes to this "cocky" individual! they remain anonymous on here on youtube i take on all bullies!that i can ,i may add

So KamodoDraGoon got blocked because he sent derogatory messages on XXYTALK about Transsexual people, that were posted here.

And you want me blocked because I exposed a massive great fraud, that involves HealthyPlace, National Geographic, YouTube and Bodies Like Ours.

So what is the fraud? Mishakailana claims to be a True Hermaphrodite, and she is not, even if she does have two complete sets of functioning gonads that is not a feature of True Hermaphroditism. Having researched CAH and the degree she claims to have suffered CAH one of two things would have happened, she'd have died of salt wasting in infancy or she would have had a precocious puberty and be extremely short in stature. She claims to be 45X/46XY 16&68% respectively yet in the karyotypes she's produced she's 46XY and she should have 6 cells that are 45X and she has NONE.

How can Mishakailana be an "Intersex Activist" as she also claims, yet be lying about every condition she claims to have?

[louisev]

I have no problem at all accepting Transsexual people as having a D.S.D, which those who don't know is what people here call "Intersex."



transsexualism is a distinct and different phenomenon from DSD, requiring vastly different treatments and approaches.



From the following publication:

http://www.dsdguidelines.org/about/consortium


DEFINITION OF DSDs
Disorders of sex development (DSDs) are defined as conditions involving the following elements.

congenital development of ambiguous genitalia (e.g., 46,XX virilizing congenital adrenal hyperplasia; clitoromegaly; micropenis)

congenital disjunction of internal and external sex anatomy (e.g., Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome; 5-alpha reductase deficiency)

incomplete development of sex anatomy (e.g., vaginal agenesis; gonadal agenesis)

sex chromosome anomalies (e.g., Turner Syndrome; Klinefelter Syndrome; sex chromosome mosaicism)

disorders of gonadal development (e.g., ovotestes)

DSDs consequently include anomalies of the sex chromosomes, the gonads, the reproductive ducts, and the genitalia. Note that the term “intersex” is avoided here because of its imprecision. See DSDs and Related Concerns for a list of DSDs and condition-specific concerns.

[XXYGuy]

transsexualism is a distinct and different phenomenon from DSD, requiring vastly different treatments and approaches. From the following publication: http://www.dsdguidelines.org/about/consortium



Yes, thanks I have read that document. Accord Alliance is a Support Org that doesn't get everything 100% right. Accord Alliance also claims Kallmann syndrome is a D.S.D. but it isn't, there is absolutely no disorder of sex development in people with Kallmann syndrome, they have a disorder of puberty but their sex is either male or female without confusion. Accord Alliance even t attempts to imply Kallmann syndrome is "Intersex" by including it where it does not belong, which annoys greatly persons with Kallmann syndrome.

There is another document you can read called:

Mendonca-46XY-DSD-2008.pdf

You can search for and read the below paragraph. The very same people also did a report on Kallmann syndrome in males, 46XY males, and you'll see reading this document that Kallmann males are not included as they do not have a DSD. And these people have been studying DSD's for 30years.



"46,XY GENDER IDENTITY DISORDERS
Male to female transsexualism
Patients with male to female transsexualism manifest a profound and persistent desire to live and be accepted as a member of the female sex, usually accompanied by a sense of discomfort with their anatomic sex and the wish to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make their body as congruent as possible with the female sex. In our experience, the first manifestations of gender identity disorders usually start during childhood."


But the whole notion that treatment options dictates what can and cannot be described as a DSD is ludicrous to my way of thinking, after all and CAIS woman will not have the same treatment as me.

If it's good enough for the medical profession to accept Transsexualism it's good enough for me.

[louisev]

"46,XY GENDER IDENTITY DISORDERS
Male to female transsexualism
Patients with male to female transsexualism manifest a profound and persistent desire to live and be accepted as a member of the female sex, usually accompanied by a sense of discomfort with their anatomic sex and the wish to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make their body as congruent as possible with the female sex. In our experience, the first manifestations of gender identity disorders usually start during childhood."


But the whole notion that treatment options dictates what can and cannot be described as a DSD is ludicrous to my way of thinking, after all and CAIS woman will not have the same treatment as me.

If it's good enough for the medical profession to accept Transsexualism it's good enough for me.

you may wish to examine the medical/psychiatric definition of GID from the most recent DSM-IV;

C. The disturbance is not concurrent with a physical intersex condition.


Therefore, GID as the current medical definition goes (until they find the Transsexual gene - which i believe they may) is ruled out as a diagnosis in the presence of an intersex condition.

At this point in time, whether fair or not, GID is diagnosed and treated by psychologists and psychiatrists, and in that context a patient may be recommended for sex reassignment surgery.

Intersex conditions are generally detected at birth or early childhood (some at puberty or adulthood) and fall in the realm of endocrinology and genetics. I never suggested that all intersex conditions are subject to the same or similar treatments, but they are treated within the same medical specialties.

It is, however, a sad fact that in seeking 'legitimacy' and in an attempt to avoid the stigma of psychiatric conditions, many transsexuals find cover and medical acceptability in assuming or feigning an intersex diagnosis of some kind.

One thing I have learned in the short time since I sought my own diagnosis is that those who actually DESIRE to have an intersex condition likely do not; nobody would want what we've got if they knew what it was really like.

[Kailana]

PeaceandParty thank you for the support. It is appreciated.

Graeme is just being an idiot as I am sure I mentioned the published article of my hands were published in 1994. In which case means very little as they say I was 24 at the time, which isn't true, I was not 24 when the photo was taken. Graeme just has a problem when he doesn't bother to take the time to research what it is he is refferencing and in this case missrepresenting.

I have made it very clear that I have used repeatedly a CAH dx and a Mosaic XY/XO karyotype since 1993 and those dx's are the only ones any doctors have ever explained to me with relavent data to support said conditions. Everything that is published about me in medical documentation differs from what the Military docs and lab reports say, and it is highly likely that Cushings is correct but in 1993 I only had 1 left very large adrenal gland so I do not have much issue with whether or not I actually had CAH, versus having Cushings and post surgery Addison's. Those are my hands regardless of what Mr XXYGuy thinks.

He can try to discredit me all he wants it means little to me as I have more knowledge about myself and my medical history then he does.

thanks all for reading and what not.

take care

[miriam]

Folks, please stop this.

From the Community Guideline (http://bodieslikeours.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1043)s: Don't be a bigot. Slanderous, defamatory, violent, abusive, insulting, threatening or harassing comments directed at individuals or groups of people are not tolerated. [...] Asking people to qualify their participation in this community is not acceptable. Period.

Miriam