Coming Clean

[LeslieGirl]

Hi
I was living for 11 years in las Cruces NM with a previous boyfriend who passed away and I met a wonderful man online who sent me a plane ticket to Seattle WA. When we first met I presented myself as a post-op Transsexual Girl which was a lie. Because I wanted to fit into a group somewhere and I was lonely. We went to a public hot tub and we both were naked. He looked at my vagina and could tell that I was a born CAIS girl and not a post-op Transsexual. I insisted that I was a post-op girl and he went along with the charade knowing all along that I was a born XY female. Then last week on my way to Couseling I came clean to him and honestly admitted that I am a CAIS Grade 7 born XY female. Now I wished that all this time I would have been honest with myself and others instead of the misrepresentations and also torturing myself like this. I feel much better than I have realized that I am perfectly normal and nothing is wrong with me.
LeslieGirl

[Peter]

Hi
We went to a public hot tub and we both were naked. He looked at my vagina and could tell that I was a born CAIS girl and not a post-op Transsexual. I insisted that I was a post-op girl and he went along with the charade knowing all along that I was a born XY female.
LeslieGirl

Interesting story. The guy you dated must have extensive medical knowledge to be able to tell the difference between a CAIS girl and a post-op girl. I suspect that a very small percentage of the population has any clue to what CAIS is. I can think of a significant difference, but very few people know about it. Good luck.

Peter

[Jolinn]

Leslie,
I know Brian in Seattle(who knows you), so I need not say more..

[Maura]

Hi Jolinn,
I've known Leslie for a long time, she's a very nice CAIS lady. Your comment to her may be somewhat intimidating for her as it wasn't clear as to what you might be intimating. Hope it isn't meant to be malicious in any way. We're both very close friends and it's been rather hurtful to see how she's been received by others at times which is a no fault condition of birth. I on the other hand have a much thicker skin and out of sorts comments have never bothered me personally. Hope you'll be considerate and be more specific, perhaps an email or PM would be more appropriate. Thanks!
Maura

[Maura]

Hi Peter,
I submit that when someone claims to be a transsexual male to female and there is no evidence of masculinization having ever taken place in that individual's body, delicate hands, arms and shoulders, tweety bird chest with female appearing breasts, a normal female voice, female mindset with no evidence whatsoever of of a single masculine thought or attitude, and slightly ambiguous but functional genitalia then one need not be a medical professional to realize that this person is in no way transsexual.

[Priestess]

<removed quoted posted from above. Betsy>

Dear Marc/Maura,
If I'd ever thought of checking on Leslie for any reason whatsoever, I would have seen enough to also suspect that she may be unreal. What witchhunt? Will everyone who thinks something is wrong here be accused by you? I think now that you are another problem, and you aren't behaving as the good-hearted individual whom you'd seemed. Accusing Jolinn is just low. If Leslie wishes to untarnish her reputation ever, stooping to this tactic is extremely counter- productive. More like an admission of guilt.

You know, an intersexed disorder is not required for being here, only that you be what you are. And there are very nice trans folks here who I think are worthy of respect. Except now, I wouldn't include you and Leslie in among them. I guess Peter was right (sigh) :thumbs_do

[LeslieGirl]

There is no way that I could untarnish my reputation by me trying to reason with you people. Talking to you is like talking to my pet rock!!!!!!!!!!!
:umno:

[Dana Gold]

trying to reason with you people
Perhaps you could benefit by reasoning with yourself.....Why are you and Maura here? Is it for attention?.... you two like to play "head games"? Do you really expect people to believe you when you've admitted to lying and it is apparent that Leslie's claims are incongruent with reality... and it seems both of you were banned from another site for being "threatening".... Is that it?....we don't join in with your "game" and you both get angry and accuse people here of being Nazi-like etc. (those posts , I see, have been deleted for "privacy sake" after Maura rudely and possibly falsely outed another) ....if you really think so, then why are you still here after saying you're both "gone"?.... If you really love each other and know who and what you are, then go about your own ways and leave us be...I, for one, am very distrusting of people who engage in "mind f**ks" and "Peyton Place" drama at the expense of others and then degrade the same who are deemed the evil "non-believers"

:umno: :
sarcastic

[zenditz]

I don't care that either of you are here,

Maura, being trans, or Leslie, being AIS or trans. I feel your both welcome here. I personally don't understand any reason any CAIS girl would ever need to 'pretend' to be trans though... I mean if you had CAIS, then you would have no 'virilizing' effects on your body or mind, in utero. That's some people point.

Mostly though, I agree with others here. It's disgusting to think your pretending to have CAIS, or for any trans person to pretend to be Intersexed, for any reason... no matter what. We have real issues, pain, and health concerns that trans people can't understand. We have battles with medical records, medical professionals, and even labels 'fake intersexed trans' people seem to jump on.

So whether or not you have CAIS or not Leslie, which I personally don't care... if you do or not... if you're trans I feel your welcome here. But none of us here (I'm not meaning to speak for everyone here, but I kinda am), regardless of what intersexed condition we have (those of us that are intersexed) could ever understand why you would 'pretend' to be trans, I mean most CAIS women don't find out until either they don't menstruate or even later than that... and even so, if you have CAIS, you would never have been raised as anything but how you feel, which apparently is female, and would never have experienced anything 'trans'.

CAIS, and all Intersexed conditions, are painful, physically and emotionally. So pretending to have one, is just sick, because well maybe you picked the wrong Intersexed condition to pretend like you had?

If you do have CAIS, I'm not meaning to attack you, but after looking into things I have more than serious doubts... I can't imagine, fathom, or rationalize any reason why you would be the only girl with CAIS, who decided to pretend to be 'trans'... I'm sorry no matter how you tried to explain things... no story would make sense to any of us who live with real Intersexed conditions.

Bye,
Katie