DCmerlin
06-08-06, 06:55 AM
Granted the Federal Marriage Amendment didn't pass this time, but this is not the first time it was voted on and it probably won't be the last. A lot of people including myself are very disturbed by how close it came to even 50% of the vote. You don't need to tell me that Conservatives just don't want people to enjoy themselves. In the end conservatives just have to grow up, which of course they won't because if could they would not be conservative.
Today I was reading that among those debating whether or not homosexuality can be cured, there's an interesting question, "Is Homosexuality Genetic". Personally I'm not homosexual but given what I've witnessed, I believe it certainly IS genetic. Unfortunately I doubt that will be proven in our lifetimes, which brings me to my current thought.
It comes down to law and precedent and my realization for today is that citizens bearing hermaphroditic conditions as well as less obvious variations of the sex chromosomes may produce the necessary precedent!
Among those on this web site, especially those who are a bit closer to the "middle" of the gender spectrum, a major issue is of course being forced by society to select a gender to identify with. Many of us would prefer not to do this. What if *WE* were to push this issue to the Supreme Court, claiming that our rights are being violated not by some subjective "choice" to BE homosexual but by an arguably "incurable" mixed set of sex chromosomes!
The way I see it, the very restrictive laws in force in many states are making it nearly impossible for us to be married or partnered to EITHER gender. Is an intersexed woman who likes other women necessarily a man? Is an intersexed man with a micro-penis, kind of a woman? What if sie does not wish to decide?
What if we were to use OUR unique genetics and sometimes unusual or unanticipated gender identity, to allow us to push open a legal door which might allow us to decide which gender(s) is right for us regardless of our outward appearance? What if XXY (and similar conditions) were to make us the first citizens of this country to be legally recognized as Dual-Sexual?
[for the remainder of this document I will be using my condition of XXY as a blanket definition simply because it is easier for me.]
Examples:
1) Suppose two XXY's marry... are they marrying their own Gender?
2) If one XXY marries an XX and the other XXY marries an XY, which one is the same sex couple?
3) Two XXY's walk into a bar...
My point is that XXY's may make the PERFECT test case for the gay marriage debate. Intersex, grays across into Trans-sex and finally into gender preference. If one XXY male likes females and another XXY male likes other males, who is to say than an XY male can't also like other males?
Once it is decided that XXY's are exempt from laws barring same sex marriage, that should open some doors.
Now what about Transsexuals. If an M2F transsexual marries a male, that by definition is not actually a same sex marriage because transsexuals are legally protected as identifying as their destination gender. Now what about pre op transsexuals, or No OP transsexuals?? What makes this question interesting is that strictly stated conservatives purport that marriage is for children, and they don't feel that couples that cannot produce children should be married. Transsexuals, unless they started in a hermaphroditic condition generally cannot reproduce at all. Conservatives also do not want orphans to be adopted into "unnatural" circumstances, such as a same sex marriage. But isn't transsexuality itself an unnatural circumstance?
An aside. I've spoken to many guys who feel they never "fit in" as guys who gave that among their reasons to wish to seek a sex change, among these one was just like me, a reasonably healthy, somewhat odd-looking straight male with fully functioning male genitalia and bizarre sex chromosomes. The difference, I think, is that I've managed to find a large number of people who accept and appreciate me. It doesn't bother me that I don't fit in with mainstream folk. In such an instance a sex change seems extreme to my point of view but even with our similarities, I can't get inside his head. I can't relate to wanting the have another gender to the degree of willing to undergo surgery to do so.
Today I was reading that among those debating whether or not homosexuality can be cured, there's an interesting question, "Is Homosexuality Genetic". Personally I'm not homosexual but given what I've witnessed, I believe it certainly IS genetic. Unfortunately I doubt that will be proven in our lifetimes, which brings me to my current thought.
It comes down to law and precedent and my realization for today is that citizens bearing hermaphroditic conditions as well as less obvious variations of the sex chromosomes may produce the necessary precedent!
Among those on this web site, especially those who are a bit closer to the "middle" of the gender spectrum, a major issue is of course being forced by society to select a gender to identify with. Many of us would prefer not to do this. What if *WE* were to push this issue to the Supreme Court, claiming that our rights are being violated not by some subjective "choice" to BE homosexual but by an arguably "incurable" mixed set of sex chromosomes!
The way I see it, the very restrictive laws in force in many states are making it nearly impossible for us to be married or partnered to EITHER gender. Is an intersexed woman who likes other women necessarily a man? Is an intersexed man with a micro-penis, kind of a woman? What if sie does not wish to decide?
What if we were to use OUR unique genetics and sometimes unusual or unanticipated gender identity, to allow us to push open a legal door which might allow us to decide which gender(s) is right for us regardless of our outward appearance? What if XXY (and similar conditions) were to make us the first citizens of this country to be legally recognized as Dual-Sexual?
[for the remainder of this document I will be using my condition of XXY as a blanket definition simply because it is easier for me.]
Examples:
1) Suppose two XXY's marry... are they marrying their own Gender?
2) If one XXY marries an XX and the other XXY marries an XY, which one is the same sex couple?
3) Two XXY's walk into a bar...
My point is that XXY's may make the PERFECT test case for the gay marriage debate. Intersex, grays across into Trans-sex and finally into gender preference. If one XXY male likes females and another XXY male likes other males, who is to say than an XY male can't also like other males?
Once it is decided that XXY's are exempt from laws barring same sex marriage, that should open some doors.
Now what about Transsexuals. If an M2F transsexual marries a male, that by definition is not actually a same sex marriage because transsexuals are legally protected as identifying as their destination gender. Now what about pre op transsexuals, or No OP transsexuals?? What makes this question interesting is that strictly stated conservatives purport that marriage is for children, and they don't feel that couples that cannot produce children should be married. Transsexuals, unless they started in a hermaphroditic condition generally cannot reproduce at all. Conservatives also do not want orphans to be adopted into "unnatural" circumstances, such as a same sex marriage. But isn't transsexuality itself an unnatural circumstance?
An aside. I've spoken to many guys who feel they never "fit in" as guys who gave that among their reasons to wish to seek a sex change, among these one was just like me, a reasonably healthy, somewhat odd-looking straight male with fully functioning male genitalia and bizarre sex chromosomes. The difference, I think, is that I've managed to find a large number of people who accept and appreciate me. It doesn't bother me that I don't fit in with mainstream folk. In such an instance a sex change seems extreme to my point of view but even with our similarities, I can't get inside his head. I can't relate to wanting the have another gender to the degree of willing to undergo surgery to do so.