Y20.2 birthcode?

[Kailana]

A question: I have been told that V20.1 is the normal birth code for a normal male newborn. However, i can't seem to get any of my current doctors to tell me what Y20.2 is. Also the ".2" is questionable as it is sloppily or hastily written and looks like the top of a 2 but sort of looks like a check mark. One of my doctors says its an initial but i dont think so. i have also spent quite a few hours/days/weeks months, and a couple of years trying to look up birth codes. With no luck. Any help would be appreciated.

If your wondering this is what is in my hospital records. i havent had much luck in getting all my records, but at least theres enough oddities in them to give me more reasons to question things. :boohoo: Its sort of annoying when i can't get answers. :boohoo:

Looking for answers. And thanks for taking the time too read.

[Dianne]

Why are the answers so important to you? (Serious question - no slight intended.)

I was born ??? - well nobody knows what "state" I was born in (or at least nobody living today). I was born out of wedlock and the details of whatever was 'wrong" with me were hidden from my birth mother. By the time I was put up for adoption 5 months later, I had been "altered" somehow and my adopted Mom was told "Raise it as a boy." All pre-adoption records were sealed. The only things that led me to believe anything had been wrong (aside from my own self-identity) was a strange looking tiny, almost non-functional "male part" and female hormones at puberty.

Things were set right over 30 years ago and it long since stopped being important "what" was wrong. The only after-effect of it all is that I became an adament supporter of the "leave it alone!" theory and a rabid critic of Dr. Money!

You know, I don't really care WHAT people think I am - I KNOW what I am and that's all that matters to me.

[Kailana]

Hiya Dianne. Thanks for the response/post.

You raised an interesting question. "Why is it important to me".

Well honestly it is important because i still question what genetically i am.
some of my more interesting conversations with doctors over the years makes me question some of my lab reports.
Basically
during Military service
1991, January i was told my blood says im female. However, i wasn't told how, i am not sure if it was just a hormonal thing or genetic. i asked how but got no ansers.
1991, May was told i am missing my right adrenal gland. I questioned then if that was why my blood said i was female? no answers givin. Doctors were curious if i had any thoughts of having a sex change. i was quite honest with them then, just as i am. i told them yes. But nothing came of it. I was afraid that i may get kicked out of the infantry. But that didn't happen so i continued on.
1991 Nov-Dec, I saw a dermatologist for dry patchy skin, i found out then that my skin carries/shows, that i have a mosaic striation pattern in it, that look almost as if i am tattoed under the dermatologists florescent examination light. I was told by him that that is very rare.
1993, May-June MRI showed i had an extra internal gonadal set, was told by German technician that they may be ovaries, i sort of believe they are, but you would have to understand that from 13 1/3 to februaary of this year i have had an ovolation cycle, I no longer cycle as i am on HRT and well estrogen does change things. After some counseling and labs, late May, was told i Had CAH, Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia, was told that this may be why i only have one adrenal gland. I was told that i am both male and female, or more precisely that my gender is "male/female", at least thats what was types on my labs reports under my name. Karyotypiing was performed and mid June 1993 my karyotype said i was xy/xo. i debate the xy/xo part only because my karyotype then was done with mouthswab, buccheal karyotype. my last karyotype was done with blood, and says im 46xy normal male. i question weather i am mosaic xy/xo, or weather i am chimaric mosaic 46xy/xy/xo.

the birth code of Y20.2, just adds a few more questions,
1. What is the normal birth code for a newborn female?
2. Is it possible that i am also Polychimeric mosaic, XY/XX/XY/XO or some variation.
3. Is it possible that my Internal gonadal set carries its own Genetic coding such as XX, or XY/XO.
4. Is it possible that i am actually XX/XY/XO.
5. There is alot alot that i need to know.
6. Why you ask, Because i am curious. It's just that simple.

Most of my doctors locally aren't interested in my questions, They don't seem to understand what i have experienced. i have believed for nearly 13 years that i am xy/xo, only because thats what the labs said back in 93. And it makes sense to a point. With my anatomical variation. As for the CAH, in 93, i was told that it was my 17 oh-progesterone and cortisol that were really high, 17 oh progesterone = 1300 ng/dl, cortisol 16000 ng/dl. the first being nearly 5 times higher then the high range for a female, the second being 10 times higher then what it should be. Now i do know that my cortisol isnt normally that high, its just that when i had those labs drawn i was under a great deal of stress, nearly a panic attack/anxiety attack. That could explain why they came out so high. But, either way with the one adrenal gland, there is good evidence that i will always have some unusual labs when it comes to whats normal or out of range. i handle stress differently then most people. as for a great many of my other androgens and junk, they all vary some a little high, some ok, some to low, both male and female. it just depends on what it is.

There is simply a great questions that i have, The difference between what i do know and what i dont know bothers me.

Thanks for response and others are welcome.

[Dianne]

Thanks for the detailed answers Kailana - I can understand your curiosity. WHO you are is much more important than any physiological details so don't lget too hung up on getting all the answers.

[Kailana]

Hello Dianne.

Had to say that that is just it, i am hung up on the details. Or bothered a great deal by the details.

i have been on HRT for 6 months now, slowly increasing estrogen, i have gootten a great deal of myself back. I m happy its just that how i have been teated since OCT 1993- Sep2005, was rather horendous. I had a great deal of knowledge of what i was when i left the military. However, my Doctors Locally since then have "i feel" been on a campaign to true to make me think i am a normal man. That may sound odd, but, when you/i have knowledge of what and how i differ from whats normal. and How i percieve myself, essential FTM/MTF transgender who happens to be intersexed( true hermaphrodite). And doctors/family refuse to acknowledge whats been done in the past(infancy), what you are or respect how you feel and how they treat you in the present, well its not so easy to find a reason to go on.

So ffor quite a few years i was a nothing, a nobody stuck in limbo, I dont exactly trust hospitals or doctors. I have the added benefit of having surgery forced on me 4 years ago. Yet people dont seem to understand just how tramatic that was, I havent had the worst life, but it also hasn't been that easy.

I am for the most part coming out of a very long period,a couple of decades of depression, What as a teen was mild depression became someof hte most debilitating depression i think anyone should be subject too. i know many other people here have been subject to surgeries as infancies, some as teens, and im sure a few as adults, the thing that bothers me, is that my surgey as an adult was forced on me. Nobody asked me, just as noboby asked me as an infant, That is were the trauma comes from. i was 31, And am now 35 and i still havent been told what exactly was done to me. i have spent a great deal of time trying to piece things together. i review as much as i can , and as much as i can find. And yes i've saught couselling for lawyers, did you know you have 3 years too file medical malpractice suits. It's been 4 for me, although there may be a loophole in my case, as typically its 3 years that you've known of the malpractice, and me well i assume, based on what i feel and how body behaves from before and after. I still dont know if i'll be able to find a lawyer, i have just gotten a few referrals to othere lawyers who are out of town. i was hoping for someone local.

anyways theres a little more info.

And id still like to know if anyone knows were to find Birthcodes, what they mean or even what the birthcode fo newborn female is.

thanks all for taken the time to read

[Peter]

Out of curiosity, I checked into the V codes. I quote from above: "I have been told that V20.1 is the normal birth code for a normal male newborn".
I am not sure that you received the correct information. Here is a quick reference:

CODE DESCRIPTION

V20.0 Health Supervision Of Foundling
V20.1 Other Healthy Infant Of Child Receiving Care
V20.2 Routine Infant Or Child Health Check

Perhaps what you believed to be Y20.2 was really V20.2 as I have not been able to find any Y20.2 code. (Charts can have mistakes.) I have not found any V20.X code connection to being either male or female. I hope that this helps.

Peter

[Kailana]

hmm another question to ponder? Well thanks for the info, even though i dont quite understand why i'd be told that V20.1 is the normal code for a male newborn.

And yah i can understand that there can be typos or slip ups every now and then, but its that that Report was dated a month after i was Born, i know someone else at one point wanted to know how long i was Dorothy Maree Alaniz.
well that only lasted 26 days. someone wove a magic wand and "vola" girl no more. then again at 6 months of age, Funny labs, and laparoscopy "aha" agirl again. Somebody jumped the gun, apparently, but by then it was to late, at least for my parents, so i was a girl medically for a 3 months, should i be a girl, should i be a boy. you know, i think Doctors Suck. Unfortunately my opinions about my parents "well they aren't held by me in much better light".

Knowledge so much knowledge is missing. So what, my parents said a boy, or so what that Doctors said a Boy, Well maybe they said a girl. You know i think i ought to just say "hah everybody's wrong". They don't get that though.

i have seen so much crap in the world.
My apologies all
1. the destruction of cities by bombs i delivered
2. men shot to crap, by weapons meant for tanks
3. bodies missing limbs, bloated for weeks in the dessert sun
4. a human body ran over by a tank(bloody cottage cheese)
5. seen the flesh,grissle and skeletal remains of a man encased in glass( again by the types of bombs i delivered.
6. i have seen the bodies of the innocents, women and children, and oh god, dear god, what horror that is. i weep in my sleep over and over again.
7. i have walked threw carnage, the destruction of hundreds of cars policing, that means picking up left over munitions, and weapons. Of vehicles and bodies destroyed in an convey , smelling the stench of the dead. wretching at the chaos men cause upon men

8.I have watched friends, fellow soldiers desecrate a corpse(they played with a mans head as if it were a soccerball, Another who palmed it like a basketball" and me rant and raving like a lunatic for what they were doing,
I was so bloody tempted toshootmenitrusted
AndnoneofthatcomparestowhatsurgeonsDidtome4yearsago

[Kailana]

it appears i cant type anymore. Hmmm

keyboard issticking.
Anyways, what isee as how my Doctors and how my parents, treatme, there all dishonest, descietful, cowards, backstabbing, can i say descietfulagain, Barbaric,Sadistic, unscrupolous, Demonic, "i cant think of any other bad things to call them," .

If you are wondering where allthis isgoing

I am a Vet "I have served my country faithfully"
I suffer from PTSD "I suffer from combat related, traumatic events"
I am transgendered "I am transitioning from MTF, as an infant forced FTM"
I happen to be Hermaphroditic, " I Poccess both maleand female reproductive organs", Some combination of either two complete testies and twocomplete ovaries, or two testes along with two ovotesties" My preferred self analysis as i am not a complete moron, and can find some evidence outin the world to compare myselft with. I supposedly am XY/XO but have to this date been unable to varify that.

And overall, i see, what i see, i know a great deal of what i know, because i have been told so by Doctors who were a great deal more honest then what i havedealt with in the last 13-6 years. I typed thatthat way, itsbeen 13 years, but, the last 6 have been the ones that have been the worse.

I Am what i perceive to be. But, i also deserved the right, to be able to read every single medical record, every single surgery, every single scan, withouthavingto have them get cut, edited, and thrown away.

I deserve that beyond all other atrocities i have witness.
Nothing compares To howthe Medical community has treated me.


Oh wait im not done: Others have had the courage thati lack.

My apologies again.
5 1/2 sodomized by my friend/neighbor from downthe street,
Kindergarten teacher wrote my parents that they needed to teach me how to defend myself, as i wasn't ableto stand up for myself. I was bullied alot, any sort of confrontation and i just closed down, became unaware of what people were saying or doing. This only made things worse, i ended up having several incidents were teachers or friends ended up having to pull my teasers/ harrassers off of me.
My father tried forcing me to take wrestling, but he gave up on me, as i couldn't stand being naked around other boys. I spent a great deal oftime crying, witch my father couldn't take. So he gave up on the wrestling idea.
Nottoo mention that i wasn't so fond of being touched either.

Life goes on, I didn't date as a teen, I have never brang/ broughta girlfriend to visit my parents, i didn't start datinguntili wasin the military, a little creative alternative companionship, some fun and games, "I WAS ALMOST HAPPY"
All that was short lived by all the info i found out about my body.
Tried dating when i first leftthe military, meant a gal online, she was into some kinky crap, I didnt stay around long a few cracked ribs and well you know i really dont like the crap being beat out of me. I apparently was to effeminate for her, she wanted a butch male to break into submission, me i've already been tortured into nothingness. I Have upon occasion stated i am celebate,i do not date, i have nearly no libido, I havemention someof the kinder reasons why i dont date in others posts. Mostof which has to dowith howmy outward physical body looks.
I spent many years in a prison of psychological and Surgical Making, Self Doubt, Self pity, Chronic Depression, Suicidal ideation, Two Suicides attempts, The last of which, is the cause of my more rescent anger, The irrational waves of rage, I feelas though i am ranting and raving at nothing, Only because I havebeen sofar unable to get the answers i need.

Again back to my rant.
I have too much knowledge of how i am put together, I ask too many questions of which i can't or haven't been able to answer.

The codes helped some Peter, but i don't or can't see why my doctor would tell me why V20.1 is the normal code for a normal newborn male. In a way it angers me too. Is there a nother lie i need to worry about. Does it make anysense, at all, Why is it that some answers only add morequestions.
They all bother me.

Some day i may forgive my parents
Some day i may forgive the doctors who did this to me "kind of doubt it thoough"
Some day i may be happy.

The transitioning phase im going threw now MTF, wellthat in my mind isonly a second best option for me.
But it seems that that is all that people can comprehend, from the medical community, it fits me better then the forced male, but its notall ofmy solution.

Knowledge is what i seek.

[Dana Gold]

what Y20.2 is.

(Y20-Y29) Classification of liveborn infants according to type of birth

Y20.2 Born outside of hospital and not hospitalised

http://www.wolfbane.com/icd/icd7h.htm

[Kailana]

Knowledge, just a little more knowledge, that is what i m looking for,
thaks again.