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Betsy
01-08-03, 08:02 PM
oy...all those initials...

Today, myself, Janet, Nina, and Deb (all Bodies Like Ours founding boards members) did a panel discussion and then a long workshop at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of NJ Robert Wood Johnson Medical School for their annual Sex Week. This was a our second year presenting. Last year it was the highest rated panel/workshop and I expect that year will be no different.

The good news...I did my best to convert all three hundred attendees (mostly 2nd year med students) to Ipsumians. I asked them to tithe 10% of their future earnings to our cause and start worshipping us instead of mutilating us and treating us like freaks. I think it worked.

LOL...joking...but I did manage to fit Ipsumians into my speech. I'll be writing up a full report soon about it...but while there, got to thinking some.

Last year, they had a poster of peoples genitals with the headline of "what is normal?" Problem is, there wasn't any pictures of intersex genitals. I noted that in my speech last year, and this year noted that the poster was no longer included. I was told it may have been because of my bringing attention to the omission last year. In noting it's absence, I also shared that I often receive unsolicited pictures of peoples genitals via email. Most of these come anonymously and often without a message. Once I got used to it, I started to keep them in my "friends file" (No...I will not share them, yet). The first couple of times it occurred, I deleted them thinking that if I ever got arrested, it would turn into a porn charge or something. LOL...now I know you are thinking, why would she get arrested? There's no reason I know of, but a decade of working in the news business has twisted my mind in many odd ways.

(I do have a point here)...

In the past, we have bandied about the creation of a calendar made up of photographs of intersex people. It would take us out of the realm of pathologizing us, and let people know that we are real people...not freaks.

But then...

There I was talking about that damn poster again and what a shame it was that it didn't include intersex people.

So, today's crazy thought...

A poster of intersexed genitals.

Good idea? Bad idea? To be honest, I am torn about it. On one hand, it seems exploitive and puts us back in the realm of getting pathologized. On the other hand, if they can do it with so-called "normal" genitals, why can't we?

It would be great tool to use for talks to medical schools and could even be a decent fundraiser for Bodies Like Ours.

if you think it would be a good idea, please share. Likewise, if you think it would be a horrible idea, let us know. If you think it is good, would you be willing to participate? I'm thinking along the lines of anonymous photos or full body photos---your choice.

One good thing I can think of is that would sink in our own small way the fake herm porn that is so prevelant on the net. This wouldn't be published on the net though. It would need to be purchased.

LOL...maybe we could turn it into a calendar...IS genitals of the month...

I do think in some ways it would be a very good thing in that it would show medical providers that we like our genitals just the way they are. But the bads keep creeping up too...

Betsy

Wohali
01-08-03, 09:18 PM
A genital of the month calendar?? You're kidding right?! Seriously I can understand what you are thinking that to present our genitals to the public would somehow help us to gain acceptance as normal. The thing is I don't think it will work. Perhaps the med students did receive your presentation well, but those very same students might just LOVE to have photos for the same reason that doctors took photos of me as a child. Because despite them being in the med community doesn't mean they are not perverts like so many others. I personally am very offended by the one genders, always men, that frequent IS boards looking for sex with an IS. I constantly get emails from such men though I am very upfront that I'm not interested. I feel to publish posters & calendars of us is degrading and it would be received as porn, as something sexually gratifying. It would further put us into the stigma of being a fetish instead of gaining us respect. Also from my understanding there is great diversity in IS genitals. Like a few photos would not represent all of us, but might instead cause people to say all IS people look like that. Then that would force us into another mold.

Personally, my struggle as an IS is more with being accepted as a person not being accepted for my genitals. I want to be allowed to live as a half male half female & not be expected to act like a "girl" or "boy". I am both! Not one! Sorry hate to be a killjoy... I just don't trust "normal" people especially not the medical community as they have more than 'proven' their intentions in the past.

Betsy
01-08-03, 09:41 PM
Yours is exactly the feedback I was looking for...

I was having serious doubts about it from the get-go but wanted to see what others thought too...

One of the things I spoke about today was the humiliating experiences of being photographed as a child and how it felt to me.

But since I like to see us as kind of a democracy here in our small community, I like to share those thoughts with members. Some are good, some are bad...

Betsy

Andi
01-08-03, 11:00 PM
I'm not sure what to say about this. On one hand I think it would turn into another fetish thing for the pervs. No matter what you do someone with a scanner will eventually get around to posting them somewhere.
If I could be certain that it would actually be helpful I'd be for it, but at this time I lack that certainty. I think making it into a calendar like that would not help things for us.
Perhaps if it was just a booklet instead of a calendar; something less "pin up girl-ish".
So do you realy think you got us some worshippers? LOL! Come on, Andi needs a new car & high speed web access. LOL!

Andi

Wohali
01-08-03, 11:07 PM
Betsy,

Would be good to hear from others so it is a democratic decision. I am pleased you asked for group opinion on this. I was thinking why not take group pictures of one genders & IS people then have some caption like pick out the intersex persons. That might be a good way of showing you can't tell who/what someone is from the outside.

However if you really want IS pics then there is a certain hospital in Tenn that has pictures of me at 7.

And when doctors claim they are "helping" IS people I have to laugh... then I want to punch their lights out. Sorry just have to blow off some steam there.

Angela

claraJane
01-08-03, 11:09 PM
Hey Betsy,

Some of us are still really, really sensitive about the whole doctor, camera, one-way window thing. But....

If we had
* a black-out-the-eyes photo of us, accompanied by
* a real-person photo of us, along with
* a short bio, and/or c.v., and
* an IS-101 explanation of our condition

then perhaps we could make good use of those wretched old memories, teach people a little, and demonstrate that we are not so alien.

The major drawback for me is the surgeon who took my full-body photos is doing time and the D.A. wouldn't search for my photos and I'm not sure I can get the before and after shots either.

I'm pretty good with Photoshop though if y'all need artwork.

Jane

RGMCjim
01-08-03, 11:21 PM
Betsy,
I think it's a great idea!! I love erotic art - the body is beautiful, sex is beautiful. Tim and I have nudes (photos, paintings, portraits, statuary all over. Why shouldn't we be included in artistic, erotic, nude art???? There are artistic photo essay books out that center on transmen and transwomen - why not us? At least we could do a calendar.
You know, I know that a lot of us have been humiliated by the medical profession - I was too. But I'm not going to give those past experiences power over my present and future sexuality. I own my body - not them and they do NOT have the power to make me cover up in shame. If the only people we let see us are the dehumanizing doctors or prurient pervets then how are we to ever escape our past abuses?
The most liberating thing I ever did for myself was to become a social naturist. My partner and I started small - by joining a gay naturist club. I was SO nervous I asked my councelor if I should call the president and explain what I am...... he said, "No, way. Just go!" I went and all the guys were wonderful - no one ran away screaming. I'm very open about myself and answer any questions but I have never felt uncomfortable for a minute. Now I go to gay campgrounds that are clothing optional and walk around naked with 2000 other men. The earth didn't end, no one threw me out or laughed or looked down their nose. They learn about intersex and I learn that I'm not outside of humanity - I'm part of it.
My point is, if we want to reject the idea that we are sexual abominations then every chance we get to stand up and say, "I'm beautiful, I'm exotic, I'm the hottest thing you ever saw!"is a good thing!

Jim

Glenn
01-09-03, 09:37 AM
After the flurry of discussion about the photos I found online a while ago, I started a collection of photos of various intersexed people. Now, for the life of me, I can't find where it went.

Time to search the archives at home...

Glenn