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gismo729
05-31-03, 07:14 PM
hello all i was wondering what all any of us can do against discimination. my current employer is really giving me trouble last yr i had to transition due to some med issues. now in the last month i have been written up twice and both times what has been said r outright lies and i can even prove it by thier own paper work. so what can i do?

uriela
06-02-03, 09:49 AM
Gizmo, I transitioned on the job over two years ago. I still have difficulty getting perspective. I made some comments about filing a lawsuit, because I did not feel I was getting proper respect. Nasty comments from co-workers. I reacted and they reacted. Of course, I was at fault and THEY were the ones that were trying (haha!) to adjust. My partner went into the hospital and I went into depression.

The union steward said she "couldn't help me on this one." I thought I had no one on my side. My comments about a lawsuit got to management and the office manager said at one time, that people like me had to have thicker skins than most people. Of course, I thought THAT was discrimination!

Some of the writeups I got sounded so "trumped up". It was hard to center in on where I was really at fault. I suppose if I did not have anyone to bounce things off Outside Of Work things could have been really worse.

Maybe you have a case for a suit. If you think you do, talk it over with someone OFF THE JOB. You need to get it out.

Love

Az1
06-02-03, 11:05 AM
I have never been approched by anyone on this issue on my job . But if I had I think that I would go to HR Human Resources or maybe an outside organization who deals in specifics on transitioning .
I have heard alot of bad things that this society thinks about others who are not the same as they are and this society wanting everyone else to be like them.
People are strange I always say,
I think that this is a way for norm society to say what they do to scare you. To make you feel uncomfortable about yourself. Want to make you feel that your contributions are something that will prevent them from gaining their own status w/ a company.

I was told that where you work has an impact on how your government reacts.
I live in a different county than where I work .The laws where I work are different from where I live on protecting individuals human rights.
But where I work will not support me because there is not a clause for individuals being IS, everything eles is there but not IS.
I will lose being IS. Although your case may fall under Harrassment you may have a case.
I feel if Corporate America has a need to stick your nose where it does not belong concerning gender than it is harrassment.

Have Nice day
Muhoe
AZ1

uriela
06-02-03, 09:10 PM
Thanks Muhoe!

"To make you feel uncomfortable about yourself. Want to make you feel that your contributions are something that will prevent them from gaining their own status w/ a company."

In the matter of a few months I went from an "outstanding employee" to "worst employee" and everyone was telling me about it. I am sure that the hormonal changes I was going through at the time (hot flashes and forgetfulness and disorientation) as well as the animosity and isolation I was experiencing (caused?) at the time were contributing factors. By the time the first year was out I was doubtful whether I could do my work at all.

Later my supervisor told me that she was making allowances because it was a difficult time to go through. She wouldn't talk to me about it and instead the then office manager, who had the tact of a lobster, was given the task of dealing with me. The most stupid thing he ever asked me was what I had between my legs. And I answered him too! Double double stupid.

I did check with an attorney and was told that since I had admitted my work was failing, that I did not seem to have a case there.

I looked at Chapter VII of the Civil Rights Act and none of it seemed to apply. Even by the proposal by the group I am a member of, I was supposed to go to the washroom of a sex I did not identify with. But the same attorney, who is president of that group, also told me that it would be dangerous to do as their guidelines stated! Also, that there was No Legal Definition of Sex.

If you like, check out the GenderPac site to see if there is anything that applies to you. There may be some court rulings that apply to gender expression. There also may be Local anti-discrimination statutes that apply.

The union steward did go in with me on some of the charges and was about to scream "discrimination", but they managed to stay within the lines, although a lot more leary.

Now the lobster has retired and things are a bit easier.

But I am still on probation. I think.

Nameste'

Az1
06-03-03, 11:07 AM
Your very so much welcome .

I think that this is why something needs to be done .
The sterotyping on What or how an employee is judged or regulated is beyond sane conditions in Corporate America .

Muhoe
az1

RGMCjim
06-05-03, 12:17 AM
Whether or not you have any recourse against discrimination based on gender/orientation depends on your State's laws. In many states it is perfectly legal for your employer to fire you because you transitioned and he/she doesn't like it. In other's they can't even give you a hard time let alone fire you. There is a lot of help and information out there. Lambdalegal.org Glaad.org
gpac.org are organizations that imediately come to mind, but with a little looking you can easily find a HUGE amount of information and support. Most of these organizations have come to realize that we are an underserved population and are trying to include us.
That's the good news. The bad news is that as intersexed our rights are only as good as our ability to hide behind a male or female gender and this is getting harder to do. As intersexed we have no rights. The more "out" we are as intersexed the more we will see our rights challenged. The N'oel Gardiner case alone may end the right to marry for a great many of us if the US Supreme Court upholds Texas ruling that genotype is permissable as the determinate of sex. Many of the laws and policies that are being pushed through to prevent same sex marriage and to limit, control and define transsexuals and transition are going to have a VERY negative affect on our lives. Our legal battle for civil rights is going to be enormous. Luckily the major GLBT Rights and Lobby organizations are starting to take up the torch for us, and hopefully will do more in the future as we step up to ask for help and inclusion in the work they are doing to protect gender rights. We have a whole lot of work ahead of us.

Jim Costich

Katt
06-06-03, 06:34 PM
Discrimination is something that can be dealt with. I have my own problems in the deep south with neighbors that have been told about me by a friend's family members. These neighbors purpously violate state laws in efforts to make me want to move away, and I make legal reports against them (to make an example). We may not have "special rights", but we do have the same rights as everyone else.