NY Times

[Betsy]

A formal announcement will be forthcoming to the full mailing list but everyone here gets advance warning:

You might want to buy a copy of the Sunday NY Times. It surely will be a collectors item :bis:

Betsy

[Betsy]

Google Alert for: intersex

WHEN Gender Isn't a Given

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/fashion/19INTE.html

New York Times - New York,NY,USA
... opinions and inconsistent medical practices have made the decision tougher than ever for parents, many of whom are confronted with the word "intersex" for the ...

[ptrinkl108]

Hey Betsy,

I see that you made The New York Times. I see that Katrina's work is also mentioned. Mireya Navarro wrote an excellent article.

Peter

[Betsy]

Mia did do a really good job with the article. In fact, I just hung up with Lisa Greene who is in the article and she too is pretty thrilled with it. I'm really proud of her for speaking out and she is incredibly well spoken. She also wants to start doing some public speaking on the issue as well :ARMS1:

Lisa is also getting a computer next week so I expect we'll see her around here as well.

All in all, she is one great mom!

Betsy

[Betsy]

PS...

if you don't want to register with the NYTimes, you can read the article here without registering http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040919/ZNYT04/409190430/1051/NEWS01

No pics, but the entire article is there.

Betsy

[Dana Gold]

Another link with the whole news article with pics:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/fashion/19INTE.html?ex=1096344000&en=b3e5705ab8e1fd41&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1

PS: Look at the bottom of the article's first page in the box entitled Advertiser Links....... ...........That's a heckofa thing to put along with the intersex article :confused6

addendum 10 minutes after my above posting and after viewing Advertiser Links box: They change links every few minutes, but the majority deal with "choose your baby's sex and gender" stuff (quack cr*p, mostly) and fertility and sperm donor sites


Dana :dunno:

[ptrinkl108]

Dana,

Your right.....Just so people know what you are talking about when referring to the sponsor links, I have copied the following from the bottom of the page:

"ADVERTISER LINKS what's this?

Boy or Girl? You Select
96% effective. Safe & Natural. Used by 1000's. 1-888-4-GENDER
www.GenSelect.com
Accurate Gender Selection
Choose Your Baby's Gender, 29.00 Safely, Naturally and Effectively
www.chooseyourbaby.com
What's in your future?
Boy or Girl? You Decide! Gender Prediction-Selection Method
FortuneBaby.com-Approved_by_experts"

Makes you wonder sometimes,

Peter

p.s. These comments are in no way meant to detract from the importance of Mireya Navarro's article "When Gender Isn't a Given".

[Betsy]

The ads are served by google which does placement via automated key word matching without any human intervention. I must admit they threw me for a loop as well when I saw them on Saturday.

Betsy

[Dana Gold]

The ads are........

........just more mindless, stinking "spam" :computer: :sick: and as Peter said, should not detract focus from the article itself.

Dana

[Betsy]

And here I thought it took 80 days.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2004/09/22/2003203923

Betsy

[Emi]

Letters to the editor on NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/26/fashion/26LETT.html

[Betsy]

My letter in reaction to the letters published. It would be great if you wrote one as well. letters@nytomes.com Note in the subject line it is for the styles editors.

The sampling of letters published on 9/26 in reaction to Mireya Navarro's sensitive and insightful article originally published on 9/19 illustrates just how deep the line in the sand is being drawn regarding controversial genital surgeries.

Parents and physicians want to think that everything is fine after surgery, yet, in the real world all is not well. The letter writers representing Cares Foundation all claim that the numbers of those with CAH who change genders is small, yet our membership reflects differently. People become lost to follow-up and they are not making themselves available for research being done by the very doctors who they feel hurt them. Dr. Poppas further implies that not doing surgery is failure to assign a gender identity. The vast majority of intersex advocates have never advised raising a child without a gender; rather we recommend assigning the child a gender based upon the most likely outcome without doing irreversible surgery and with the understanding that initial determinations may be wrong.

Dr. Poppas also claims those speaking out had outdated surgery done on them. The sad part is there is absolutely no research supporting the methods employed today. Will he then claim that today's patients who speak out in 20 or 30 years had outdated techniques performed on them as well?

Betsy Driver
Executive Director
Bodies Like Ours
http://www.bodieslikeours.org
PO Box 1732
Easton, PA 18044
610-258-7466 voice
610-258-6631 fax

Bodies Like Ours is a 501(c)(3)organization incorporated in NJ and based in Easton, PA. Bodies Like Ours provides peer support for people born with an intersex condition and helps them erase their shame and secrecy. We are dependent upon your financial support to continue our work. Please consider making a donation today online at http://www.bodieslikeours.org.

[Dana Gold]

What Betsy was talking about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/26/fashion/26LETT.html?ex=1096862400&en=1e471b22edd57354&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1

Dana

[dianagramr]

Good news: My letter to the editor was indeed published in Sunday's (9/26)y's Times.
Bad news: The letter was edited in such a way that some of my intended info/tone was missing ... I don't have a problem with their wanting to edit. But, they didn't get my permission to do so ... and they normally call to discuss publication and desired edits. :-(

Well ... it was the first letter published, and from what I hear from my friends in the publishing biz, that means the editors thought it was the best letter. So I guess that counts for something.

And best of all ... my mother didn't have a coronary when a friend told her of the letter (I hadn't told her I responded to the article ... since its never been an easy topic of conversation). In fact, she said "it was an excellent, thoughtful letter, and I think its time people know the real facts around the issue"

(contented sigh)

Here's the letter, as published ....

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/26/fashion/26LETT.html?pagewanted=all#

[ptrinkl108]

Hi Diane,

I agree with your mother that your letter to the editor of the NYT "was an excellent, thoughtful letter, and I think its time that people know the real facts around the issue".

Thanks for writing the letter.

Peter

[miriam]

Hello Diane, Welcome at BLO! Miriam

[Jules]

Nice to meet you. :sign16:

[Betsy]

Hi Diane,

A public welcome for your first post and thank-you for your letter. I wrote you a short note as well to the email you sent.

:sign16:

Betsy

[Jules]

I just got around to reading the full NYT article and I thought it was a well rounded story covering all of the bases. Besty, You did great!