Grow your own...penis

[Betsy]

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/22/miraclesurgery.shtml

Russian doctors have conducted an 11-hour operation to replace a patient’s deformed penis with one grown on his forearm, the Moskovskiy Komsomolets daily reports.

The 30-year-old Russian man, whose name was changed in the article to protect his privacy, had a defect from birth — his penis was crooked, two-and-a-half-inches long and lacked a scrotum, the newspaper writes.

The doctors had the penis removed and attached to the man’s arm. Using his body tissue it grew to six-and-a-half inches and was sewn back on to his groin. Silicone tubes were inserted into the organ to ensure an erection was possible. Doctors also created a scrotum from the patient’s own skin and placed silicone testicles in it.

A Moscow surgeon said the man will be able to have sex in a few months. He added: “Women will never suspect it is artificial.”

[prince....ss?]

Slow day at the office Besty. same link I liked this article too.
Monkeys Go on Hunger Strike in Siberian Zoo, Demand Onions :lol:

[melonaide]

Please tell me that is not real.

Well I guess it could be good if it was real....except for the woman with the crooked vaginas.


*leaves thread before saying something more stupid*

[Sarra]

I've already got one I don't want and can't use anyway, why woudl I want another one?

[Meadow]

Gee, I wish I new about this earlier . . . I could have saved them a lot of trouble and sold them one of mine, cheap! "Sleek, low miles, good condition, used only occasionally on Sundays!"

[Betsy]

"Sleek, low miles, good condition, used only occasionally on Sundays!" :happy68: LOL!

I was kind of wondering how he explained the penis growing from his arm (have you seen that picture?!?) the last several months and wondering if he got any dates as a result of it. It gives a whole new meaning to leaving your fly open..errr, shirt rolled up.

I am secretly thinking they really stole it from Frank http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/03/22/nude-penticton-050322.html
and
http://www.canada.com/vancouver/story.html?id=cba849fb-0e3c-48a6-b970-9031e1110e24

Betsy
---no, you don't want to know how I find these stories.

[prince....ss?]

Thank goodness Besty, I could not help but to bust up when I saw that picture. I wanted desperately to say something but I did not want to be insensitive to someone else’s condition if that was real. Thanks to you all now I don’t feel so bad with the gambit of twisted thoughts that ran thoughts my mind.

Ok Meadow, Is this one of those little old lady sales pitches. The real truth to that scenario is that the odometer was dialed back and some teenager rode it hard ant put it away wet…. LOL

Was that a Chevy or a Ford?

[Dana Gold]

Another article from a Russian source with "more details":

Excerpts from link below:

A resident of Russia's Khabarovsk region (the Far East), named only as Sergei, was suffering from the absence of the normal reproductive organ. The patient said that he had the shameful deformity since his early childhood. The boy was born with a very small penis. Furthermore, the child had no scrotum either. When the boy was growing, his organism could not make a definitive decision of which sex it virtually had. To crown it all, the boy started developing women's bosom. It goes without saying that the child became a very shy and secluded individual. When Sergei grew up, he could not have a relationship with girls: his penis was only five centimeters long.

When Sergei was a baby, doctors should have conducted a course of hormone-replacing therapy for him. He still has no scrotum - that is why he will have to have another operation in the near future.

http://funreports.com/2005/03/18/58703.html

Well, I suppose if the "patient" is happy, then all's well that ends well and it was consensual and wanted.....and there was no doubt as to the gender, so... ....interesting, though, that this article (as well as the one Betsy posted) was featured in a tabloid type website......and I wonder if the same extensive treatment would have been so generously offered if the "patient" would have "wanted" a vagina, instead.... had the gender been female......but that's another story, isn't it? :secret:

“Women will never suspect it is artificial.”

I wonder if I were to kick "them", would the "reaction" be "normal" (as in: :whatchuta )? ..hee, hee :devil_smi

:whipg:

[Dana Gold]

Here's some of the ways the scientists and doctors may have accomplished some of the "reconstruction/regeneration" of the above-mentioned patient:

http://www.springerlink.com/app/home/contribution.asp?wasp=c50e6383d7454cd3bb72328b5390d231&referrer=parent&backto=issue,2,15;journal,33,48;linkingpublicationresults,1:101581,1


http://www.springerlink.com/app/home/contribution.asp?wasp=070ac8cbdd3d4dc68d57a7fe260a2196&referrer=parent&backto=issue,3,15;journal,33,48;linkingpublicationresults,1:101581,1

Note: I , myself, have utilized both VEGF and bFGF in stimulating vascular regeneration (experimental treatment modality for macular degeneration and diabetic retinopathy) in rabbits during my time as Research Associate with the Univ.Ophthamology Dept....(prior to that was in Pharmacology Dept)
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"victory garden":

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12352353&dopt=Citation

Scientists have, with Hox gene experiments and other angiogenesis methodologies "regrown" :magic-2: tissues, limbs, and organs "from scratch".

http://bioteach.ubc.ca/TeachingResources/Genetics/Mouse&Ear.jpg

I, myself, advocate judicious use of these technologies….implications for “misuse” are very probable in the “wrong hands”.

:pizza:

[Peter]

I feel sorry for the guy. I suspect that in the end, he will simply have perhaps the world's most expensive "strap-on" penis. He probably went to a doctor, because of an unhappy sex life, and eventually wound up as a guinea-pig for another round of attempting to grow penises by attaching them to the arm. Apparently, this is not the first time the doctors involved had done this procedure. The photo in the article was from an earlier attempt. I suspect that the experiment is headed towards psychological failure. With so much silicon involved, and with the surgical removal and re-attachment of the penis, I suspect that there will be little physical sensation in the newly grown penis. You certainly do not need a big penis to sexually excite a partner. So, in the end, I suspect that his sex life will not be any happier. I do wonder where these stories come from. Is there a PNS (Penis News Service)?
In the mean time, doctors continue to perform clitoraldectomies on women who are seen as being too big.

Peter

[Betsy]

Is there a PNS (Penis News Service)?

It's a personal problem :thinking: :dunno: But good name though! I like the ring to it, particularly since the unit I freelance in at fancy NY network is called NNS.

Betsy :oops:

[Peter]

Hi Betsy,

I am glad you like PNS. I find the man's story sad but I do not find it personally offensive. I have very little emotional attachment to my penis. I would like to hear more about what you think about the article. The more you say, the more interesting the conversation becomes. As always, I recommend that if a doctor recommends a complex procedure that one should ask about the past success of the operation, and ask to talk with other people who have undergone the procedure to find out about their experiences. I suspect that the man in the story is intersex as he is getting silicon testicles. I generally believe in a middle of the road approach, where men with micro-penises are neither surgically feminized nor augmented. But that is just me, and other people may choose other paths. At least in this case, the doctors probably got informed consent before going ahead with the operation.

Peter

[Betsy]

Well, the guy is an adult and to that, I say...go for it if he thinks it will make him happy. "He" is definitely intersex--and I use quotes around he because I am assuming his gender id is male. Is he genetically male or female...I don't know and it doesn't really matter in my mind because he is simply wanting to be himself and altering his body to be what he feels needs to be done.

I would be horrified if it was done on a child, just like I am with other cosmetic surgeries done on kids to make the adults in his or her life happy.

Will it work? I don't know...only he will know. Or we could track down one of the women he has sex with and ask her if she noticed. I'm having a tough time getting past that statement from Dr. Fixit because he is just a bit too confident for my taste--it's just a bit too familiar to me and reflects the arrogance doctors here in the US have when they say they have happy patients but can't seem to find them when asked or when research shows their oldest patient is like 12 years old. That goes way into creepiness for me because I can't understand how a 12 year old can comprehend success or failure on genital surgery.

Betsy

[miriam]

I feel sorry for the guy. I suspect that in the end, he will simply have perhaps the world's most expensive "strap-on" penis.

??????? Stop feeling sorry for him. Phaloplasty is not really new. What's new here is that the skin needed was grown on his arm. Normally (e.g. with female to male transsexual people) a piece of skin of the fore arm, the abdomen or the waist is used. I guess that with this method the scar will be less visible than with the traditional methods.

The method of expanding skin by placing a kind of water filled balloons under the skin and then adding some water every day is also used in other surgery techniques where a lot of new skin is needed.

By the way, they made just the skin of the penis. Inside a penile implant is used.

http://www.seekwellness.com/mensexuality/penimpl.htm

http://www.impotence-guide.com/penile-implant-types.html

But more important than the technical side of this story, is the fact that this is an adult who decided for himself that he wanted this surgery.

Groeten, Miriam

Anyone in for "dirty pictures"? No? Then stop here!

http://www.ftmphallo.com/Daverio/daveriopics.htm
http://www.ftmphallo.com/Monstrey/montreypics.htm
http://www.ftmphallo.com/More/MorePics.htm
http://www.blight.com/~cr/pictures/edward.jpg

BTW, that last pic is a completely different technique (metaoidioplasty). In this operation, the surrounding skin of the clitoris is removed and it is released from the pubis to give the appearance of more length. The glans will appear circumcised in most patients. The final result is a normal appearing, but very small, penis.

[Peter]

Hi Miriam,

Thanks for the links. I am sure that there are many types of penile surgery. I would think that there would be a big difference in physical sensitivity for a penis that is formed from tissue from another part of the body versus an existing penis that receives implants for erectile purposes. I don't know much about nerve pathways, but I can imagine that once the penis was removed and transplanted to the arm to grow its length, that the possibility of future sensitivity was greatly disrupted. Maybe they can reattach the nerve pathways, but I would need to know more. I speak as a person for whom there is very little connection between the symbolic phallus and my actual penis. But that is just me, and there are people who will go to much greater lengths to "have" a penis that they can be proud of. I am not against any surgeries that are voluntary in nature, but I am working, in my own small way, to try to create a world where people are more accepting of bodies that do not conform to normative standards at birth.
Thanks for the FTM pictures. My understanding from my conversations with FTM men is that increasingly trans men are opting for "top" surgery, but not undergoing "bottom" surgery. It is a social development that I find really interesting.

Peter

[Dana Gold]

So, in the end, I suspect that his sex life will not be any happier.

You may be quite right, Peter. As most people are aware of, there's more to sex than just the genitals. Notably the sex organ between the ears is the place where sexual pleasure is really "registered". This person will probably have to "get used" to his new "equipment" and at the same time, knowing that they are "rebuilt", the mind may subconsciously still feel "inadequate". The psychological ramifications of not having "normal sex" for most of his adult life, and now having to rediscover his sexuality in near midlife, may require a bit , if not a lot, of "training" and self-affirmation processes to feel confident enough to "perform normally" with a female; or in the case of the male's psyche regarding oneself an "ersatz man". And then , as some know, keeping a secret from "intimate others" can be very stressful to the human mind; perhaps requiring that he would eventually feel compelled to tell the truth to his future partner......to alleviate such stress, which would be stressful in itself. Therefore I would think that sexual psychological counseling would be in order for this individual; and the future partner would have to be compassionate and loving enough to accept him as he is. Note the word loving, for that emotion does not require a "big dick".....which I noted, the doctors made sure the "length" was in the upper range of "normal" flaccid penises. The surgery, then, would be only the first step toward the completion of sexual satisfaction and self-esteem, which is what the surgery was meant to , in one-step, fix "in toto". Does that sound familiar? Interesting, too, that the concept of genital reconstructive surgery was touted as "the answer"....a "medical miracle" , when in reality that , as many here in the BLO forum are aware of, is only cosmetic in nature....the real challenges are what's "between the ears".....and the individual's psycho-social/sexual interactions with his or her environment. It would remain to be seen, therefore, if this person will really be happy with the new penis and how he will deal with any possible perceived dissatisfaction from himself and/or any future partner.....for as I've heard before: "It's not so much the size of the boat that matters, it's the motion in the ocean that it makes, that counts" :wink_smil ......so this man will have to eventually come out of "dry dock" and learn how to "sail the seas"....and that will require capabilities that arise from the overall general (physical and mental) health primarily, and the actual "Schwanz" secondarily.....it being, in reality, just another "piece of meat" without the former.

Anyway............................ :pizza:

[melonaide]

If this were to ever really happen how many guys do you think are gonna want three or four of them in different places?

[melonaide]

That was a joke in case it was a little too dry.
I'm being sexist again. *slaps self*

I don't know all the circumstances out there and I know that people have proceedures done for health reasons but if I dated a guy with a two inch penis I would NOT want him to have it replaced with a penis grown from his arm....not that I have anything against arm penises but I am thinking that it's more natural for both parties if everything was left like it was and maybe that doesn't fit everyones scenario....I'm just saying if I dated a guy with a two inch penis.....unless of course it hurt him somehow. I'm being totally serious here...I don't see the point in making it bigger. Imo, they get in the way. Like....you might be making out with a guy and laying on top of him and stuff but you're not going to be making out for long cause pretty soon you're going to be having intercourse because of this massive hard on you'll have to deal with. Some people go for that but I don't think all do cause I tend to get a little annoyed by a body part that stands up and demands my attention.


I think I'm being sexist again *slaps self again*

I don't have anything against men and their penises I have just found them extremely difficult to work with.

[MelissP]

Anyone in for "dirty pictures"? No? Then stop here!

http://www.ftmphallo.com/Daverio/daveriopics.htm
http://www.ftmphallo.com/Monstrey/montreypics.htm
http://www.ftmphallo.com/More/MorePics.htm
http://www.blight.com/~cr/pictures/edward.jpg

BTW, that last pic is a completely different technique (metaoidioplasty). In this operation, the surrounding skin of the clitoris is removed and it is released from the pubis to give the appearance of more length. The glans will appear circumcised in most patients. The final result is a normal appearing, but very small, penis.


If I wasn't already bailing out on the the guy thing, I think those pics
would be giving me an inferiority complex right now, intellectual idea
of their functionality notwithstanding.

Ml

[prince....ss?]

I did not view them as dirty pictures I found them very informative. My birth record has a hand drawn sketch of my condition One of those pictures in the link closely resembles my birth condition. It helps to better understand the possible motives of my parents and doctors at the time of my birth. I also find it interesting that people’s needs desires are monumental enough to endure this type of surgical procedure. I does make me question, in the long run /end result was my surgery a mixed blessing? Perhaps I am lucky that when they removed my body parts they also removed the desire to undergo that type of procedure. If they left the desire than perhaps one of those pictures could have been me. Thanks again for the pictures it will be one of the pieces that help put things in perspective for me

[Betsy]

Update on the arm penis...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/04/10/1113071851548.html?from=top5&oneclick=true

Sergei should soon be able to have sex for the first time. He will not be able to achieve an erection, but will be in a permanent state of semi-arousal. "He has never had a partner or sex because of his micropenis,'' Prof Sokolshchik said. "Now he has the opportunity to begin his sexual and romantic life and to father children, assuming his sperm count is normal.''

It would be interesting to see if he maintains a sperm count at all. I assume there will be other followups, including the report the doc intends to write for a journal. I don't get it however as the article states earlier the "new" penis was sewn on alongside his old one unless they were able to somehow attach the vas deferens and pull it through the new penis. Of course, I am assuming iinsemination via penetrative sex.