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I had a strong relationship with a dear friend, basically grew up together.
She repected me for who I was and never pressured me to talk about being IS.
I told her about myself being born different at an adult age and that I was told I was raised as a gender of a male. That is what she knew and what she was told that I was a male.
I told her that I wanted to LIVE my life. I wanted to do what I thought was right. I told her that I was born female but was dysfunctional at birth. She had told me that she always wondered why a male and a female got along so good and that she had never experienced a relationship like it ever before.
She had told me that whatever I had thought to be was right that I should not hesitate and do what I should do. I told her that is kinda hard. Here I was married and know my other half would never comprehend me being IS.
Az1
I had long talks with my friend and she was curious to learn more about XXy but she never was willing to ask me. She had asked me if I told my spouse and I had replied that I did but...
She asked what had happened and I told her the worst, I told my spouse everything and I was told I was a sick faggot and that I was to give up being a girl or I would be divorced in a flat second. I told her I would throw away everything that associated me with being female.
I also told her that I would have to kill myself.
My spouse reluctantly reeled her objections to my feminine side and told me that she (spouse) would help me. My spouse told me she can live with it, but then started demanding things I was to give up. I lived for months very lonely and NO ONE to turn to. No help from anyone or my spouse. I cannot afford treatment an I do not suppose I wanted the world to know how stupid I felt being this way.
I told my friend that I live 2 lives one as what society thinks as of me and one as Me who does not give a rats azz about society. I told her that
Society responds differently when asked from a female has intutions of a male would have answered the question or remedy a solution. It is easy for me to answer questions or situations from a female perspective on a male situation and vise-versa.
I am quite sensitive on all aspects of life either being a female or male.
I had told her I have been sterotyped and not a one of them apply.
Since I told my friend her bashfulness has turned to a more sister like atmosphere. She wants to be near me and she wants me to be with her and only her. This is what I wanted someone I could talk to and be near.
Do not get me wrong she is not having an affair with me. She spoke to her husband about me and his reply was I was a sick faggot and that she is not to spend no time what so ever with me.
After a few months passed I had not heard from her.
az1
Dana Gold
11-18-05, 12:25 PM
For what it's worth, is it possible for you to move away from the place you live; your member info states you live in the Ohio Valley; which I am assuming to be the proverbial "hick"-heaven..(conservative and ignorant). Would you be up to (or would it be financially feasible to) moving away and starting a new life elsewhere?.... even though it may be difficult...leaving the shi**y past behind you. Making new friends and establishing a new life after a divorce...I did it at 50 yrs of age.....and was finally able to be free of the internal/external "tug-of-war". There will always be a**holes everywhere in the world, but at least you wouldn't have to put up with the "old ones"..and as a result you could be wiser in your "new world" and more careful in choosing relationships as a result...maybe even enjoy some solitude to "recharge your batteries"........anyway, take care.
Dana
Ohio Valley; which I am assuming to be the proverbial "hick"-heaven.
actually that is in southern Ohio.
I have lived up and down the eastern seaboard and it all is about the same.
proverbial "hick"-heaven.
As the story continues, I have been trying to just live a normal life and try to keep to myself. I have talked to my friend a couple of weeks ago.
Her husband as the ego-tistical testosterone prick he is from Virginia. Always replies with girlie quotes aimed at me and I reply it is a shame you do not know your own insecurity.
My friend is and has always wants to understand more but we are kept at a distance. I think he is worried I will try something sexually with her and I have no desires for her other to inform her that there are individuals who are not as she was taught growing up.
Az1
No pun intended.
The day came when I thought I could get enough nerve up to explain to my spouse who I was.
I told her everything, I told her I thought about going under the knife again and getting surgery, I had told her that maybe I would feel comfortable with myself but again I did not know if I wanted to change or if I wanted the world to change and leave me behind. I expalined to her this had all began to surface when I was young. I had dressed and acted feminine, I once got beat up because I was wearing a bra by a family member. I had never mentioned that to anyone before, that was quite embarrassing.
I told her I wear make-up and wear perfume. I told her I always felt that I had been cursed and that no one could ever love me being my true self.
I am loved for being a male. Not a female.
I had asked her to forgive me for I have lied to her knowing I was dysfunctional,when I was hitched to her (married) , I acted as a gender that I was told to be, a male.
I told her that I was born a female and she replied stuck in a mans body, right, and I replied "No stuck in this body".
She had asked all the dumb questions people ask when they do not understand and I was sarcastic only to defend myself.
I was told not to dress as a female when I am with her. I do, what are ya going to do beat me up again.
I will not get a divorce because of this. I will let her make that decision.
Az1
Hi Az1,
I read with interest about your love of cross-dressing and your desires to surgically appear more female. Your wife is rapidly learning a lot about you. In the past you mentioned that you are both AIS and XXY. Does she know about your intersex status? I recommend that you try and find a good counselor to help you both explore all the issues involved. I believe that Curtis Hinkle's International Intersex Organization maintains a list of counselors who specialize in gender issues.
Peter
Hi Az1,
I read with interest about your love of cross-dressing and your desires to surgically appear more female. Your wife is rapidly learning a lot about you. In the past you mentioned that you are both AIS and XXY. Does she know about your intersex status? I recommend that you try and find a good counselor to help you both explore all the issues involved. I believe that Curtis Hinkle's International Intersex Organization maintains a list of counselors who specialize in gender issues.
Peter
I love The Holy One and My Spouse. I have not, nor will I ever sterotype You.
I am not what you have commented in this quote to me.
This the kind of Bullshit, I am talking about try to talk to the fourm about individuals who just do not have a clue to understanding. I and my spouse will live for what it is worth. If I could afford a counselor I would have been there along time ago.
Az1
Hi Az1,
I apologize for recommending counseling. After I posted my initial message, I realized that I had mixed feelings about mentioning the issues of counseling. I know that we live in a world of psycho-babble, where people often recommend counseling to others. I guess that I just added to the psycho-babble. I know that if someone recommended counseling to me, I would also have mixed feelings.
I find your remarks about stereotyping interesting. I assume that you mean that I am stereotyping you as "intersex" because you are XXY and AIS. When I use the word "intersex", in your case, I mean that you are a person with an intersex condition. I don't make any assumption that you have an intersex identity. This is an intersex forum, and if you say you are both XXY and AIS, I feel that it is ok for me to say that you are intersex.
Peter
Priestess
12-05-05, 08:02 PM
I love The Holy One and My Spouse. I have not, nor will I ever sterotype You.
I am not what you have commented in this quote to me.
This the kind of Bullshit, I am talking about try to talk to the fourm about individuals who just do not have a clue to understanding. I and my spouse will live for what it is worth. If I could afford a counselor I would have been there along time ago.
Az1
Reading through this thread, I think I understand what you've meant, Az1. And people can be so flawed when they never try to rise into better souls. I think you show your inner strength and grace.
Peter <- Perhaps Az meant the trans stereotypes that you may have read into things?
Btw Az, what's your favorite perfume? :girl_hug: I've found scents to be interesting since I've developed a perception of smell these last few years.
If you are one of those self-described intersex people who has fathered children, or claim to have multiple rare intersex conditions, or are constantly running around to different doctors in search of an intersex diagnosis, or have a "1 in 5,000,000" intersex condition which is totally internal physically without being associated with ambiguous genitals, you are probably not intersex. I will add that I have much sympathy for people with IHH, and similar conditions, who have bodies that are different. If the shoe fits....
Peter
Hi Az1,
I apologize for recommending counseling. After I posted my initial message, I realized that I had mixed feelings about mentioning the issues of counseling. I know that we live in a world of psycho-babble, where people often recommend counseling to others. I guess that I just added to the psycho-babble. I know that if someone recommended counseling to me, I would also have mixed feelings.
I find your remarks about stereotyping interesting. I assume that you mean that I am stereotyping you as "intersex" because you are XXY and AIS. When I use the word "intersex", in your case, I mean that you are a person with an intersex condition. I don't make any assumption that you have an intersex identity. This is an intersex forum, and if you say you are both XXY and AIS, I feel that it is ok for me to say that you are intersex.
Peter
What is a crossdresser have to do with XXy?
IMO I think that you do not understand what constitues to be not of XX or XY eh ?. Crossdressing , My spouse Crossdresses wears clothes to fit her.
Sit back you and you may learn, Never sterotype individuls.
Az1
If you are one of those self-described intersex people who has fathered children, or claim to have multiple rare intersex conditions, or are constantly running around to different doctors in search of an intersex diagnosis, or have a "1 in 5,000,000" intersex condition which is totally internal physically without being associated with ambiguous genitals, you are probably not intersex. I will add that I have much sympathy for people with IHH, and similar conditions, who have bodies that are different. If the shoe fits....
Peter
WYFP
I do NOT have children and I have tried, I have adopted. I do not believe the Medical profession So I surley do not Run to seek answers that they have only thought of what the answer is to their own layman terms.
I do not know what my count is for human normalcy.
Az1
Az1
Reading through this thread, I think I understand what you've meant, Az1. And people can be so flawed when they never try to rise into better souls. I think you show your inner strength and grace.
Peter <- Perhaps Az meant the trans stereotypes that you may have read into things?
Btw Az, what's your favorite perfume? :girl_hug: I've found scents to be interesting since I've developed a perception of smell these last few years.
Crossdressers,Transsexuals,Tranny< used in my vehicle, Sissys, fagboy, My favorite is shemale have all been applied to me. roflmao
XXy is beyond what society tries to label XXY.
I was once told let people believe what they want just you know in your heart who you are. I have joined this site because I knew I could express me and XXy. I did not ever imagine to be called a Crossdresser.
As for A scent I love CK unisex and Glow.I was told about t new one -Still - Jlo.
Az1
Priestess
12-06-05, 08:31 AM
If you are one of those self-described intersex people who has fathered children, or claim to have multiple rare intersex conditions, or are constantly running around to different doctors in search of an intersex diagnosis, or have a "1 in 5,000,000" intersex condition which is totally internal physically without being associated with ambiguous genitals, you are probably not intersex. I will add that I have much sympathy for people with IHH, and similar conditions, who have bodies that are different. If the shoe fits....
Peter
Oh Peter :rolleye13 That "better souls" comment wasn't directed towards you. It was referring to the mean people in Az's life.
I can't tell if the rest of your post is just in general; or pointing at Az; or running after me, though in my case the items of that described scenario don't find me.
As I've read it, Az is saying 47XXy and some level of ais. I've personally met one XXy individual who over most of their lifetime looked pretty ordinary on the outside. So that critique doesn't matter. Has Az fathered any children? That wasn't mentioned in this thread.
(Edit- Oops, Az just said no kids. so that item doesn't apply either)
Odds and probabilities might be useful for an insurer or health provider, for laying down business strategy. And they might allow you to prioritize a list of possible conditions to check for in case of trouble. But when it comes down individual's cases, the odds are irrelevant in determining if the patient has any given condition. They either have it, in which case they are exactly as rare as they needed to be. Or they don't.
:tongue:
Hi Az1,
I am sorry about the comment about "cross-dressing". Any connection between you and the LGBT world is a mistake on my part.
I am here to learn:
You said:
I told her that I was born female but was dysfunctional at birth. Az1
You avatar says "addicted to XXY". I have always assumed that you had Klienfelter's Syndrome. As I understand it, all the people that I have met with Klinefelter's Syndrome were born male. It's a male condition. They might not feel male in their everyday adult lives, but they were born male. Please explain being born female and having Klinefelter's Syndrome.
Elsewhere, you have mentioned undergoing infant surgery and being assigned male through surgery. I am curious to know more about how children with Klinefelter's Syndrome are surgically assigned male. I have not heard of this before.
You said you have AIS. To be honest, I always believed that you were XXY until you mentioned having AIS. As AIS, with only one know exception, is an XY condition, how can you be both XXY and XY? Can you see how it does not add up in my mind?
I believe the XXY part, but have my doubts about the AIS and infant surgery parts.
Peter
prince....ss?
12-06-05, 10:06 AM
I normally enjoy your posts and your perspectives, but your “Better Soul” post is just wrong, why did you feel the need for such a vicious and personal attack? But if you pull back that crooked finger that you are pointing with and look at what you wrote from a different perspective I think you will amaze even yourself. I don’t understand the frustrated anger that you apparently have towards persons that fit your description.
Every person here at BLO is searching for something, a missing piece that will make life bearable. You of all people should understand that. So the person that you just described in that post is just looking for answers in their own way and should not be judged or shunned for walking that path of self realization. That post gives me the impression that you think being Intersex is superior to other conditions because it is a birth condition and not one of choice. I did not realize that we were implementing the “lift your shirt at the door” policy.
Everyone that posts here has something to contribute and I gain insight at what other people are saying and thinking. This includes everyone even the whack jobs, the wanta fucks, and the truly lost and confused. Sometimes the, “I’m fortunate not to be them”, helps.
And yes Peter, even that angry hurtful post that you made does give me insight and perspective.
I am fortunate not to harbor that type of anger!
Sincerely,
Prince….ss?
Hi Prince....ss,
Aw, come on. Don't you like a good read? I don't believe that intersex people are superior to other people. I have never said that. I wish people would stop making incorrect interpretations of what I say. I do get annoyed sometimes. Recently, I was at a meeting of top trans and intersex people in San Francisco, and they openly said that they could not add the "I" to the SF HRC LGBT Advisory Committee, because of all the intersex "wannabes" who would come out of the woodwork in San Francisco to apply for the "intersex" position. I did not say anything, but their remarks did give me insight and perspective into how the larger world thinks. I have a lesbian friend, who when I use the word intersex to describe people, often stops me and adds "so called" as a recommended prefix. This problem will not go away by ignoring it.
p.s. There is no "lift your shirt at the door policy", and such a policy has never even been considered.
Peter
prince....ss?
12-06-05, 10:45 AM
Hi Princess,
Aw, come on. Don't you like a good read? I don't believe that intersex people are superior to other people. I have never said that. I wish people would stop making incorrect interpretations of what I say. I do get annoyed sometimes. Recently, I was at a meeting of top trans and intersex people in San Francisco, and they openly said that they could not add the "I" to the SF HRC LGBT Advisory Committee, because of all the intersex "wannabes" who would come out of the woodwork in San Francisco to apply for the "intersex" position. I did not say anything, but their remarks did give me insight and perspective into how the larger world thinks. I have a lesbian friend, who when I use the word intersex to describe people, often stops me and adds "so called" as a recommended prefix. This problem will not go away by ignoring it.
Peter
Your last post confuses me, I don’t understand the relevance of your question.
I do enjoy a good read. I was enjoying the personal perspective that Az1 was sharing with us all. I feel it was sincere and heart felt. I enjoyed the fact that it dealt with personal feelings and not the medical jargon of tests and probes. It gave perspective of the real issues that we all must face or have had to deal with in our lives.
Then you made a post that changed the tone of the thread. You changed it from pleasant to hurtful and angry. I have had my fair share of hurt and anger in my life. Anger begets anger. So I do not allow that into my life. So when something beautiful gets destroyed I can only feel sorrow for what was lost. A flower that will never grow again…that’s what anger gets you.
Sincerley,
That is Prince….ss? not princess…big difference!
Hmmm. You added to the post with an edit.
Hi Prince....ss,
Just for the record, I edited your name before I saw your post. I then completed editing my post after reading your post, and added a sentence back in to more closely match the version you were replying to.
Peter
That is cool, I am glad you met and have had a chance to be with other XXy individuals.
I am not here to waste time and I do not feel that this is a forum to jump in a blog of someone esle's Wypf. Betsy has a true Wypf .
I had thought that there was meaning for Betsy's opening for a blog for Wypf.
Az1
Merry Christmas 05'
It's not a matter of jumping into others threads...but it certainly doesn't need to an on-topic thread--that is not the point of WYFP. I started it because I figured people had lives outside of being intersex. Maybe I was wrong?
It also works a ton better if everyone posts in the same thread as opposed to starting a new one with each new WYFP. That's why I've been trying to post one each weekend.
Originally posted by Peter
You said you have AIS. To be honest, I always believed that you were XXY until you mentioned having AIS. As AIS, with only one know exception, is an XY condition, how can you be both XXY and XY? Can you see how it does not add up in my mind?
If I may answer for Az1, I thought I'd mention that having AIS and Klinefelter's may be technically possible, even though likely rare. AIS is an X-linked recessive condition and Classic Klinefelter's is believed to be caused by a non-disjunction from the father. Therefore,
X (AIS from mother) + XY (from father) = AIS (?) and Klinefelter's.
The question mark because I'm not sure whether the X from the father would express as dominant. If it did, then the individual would be a carrier. About 10% of AIS carriers are manifesting. I assume this would also apply to the mosaic form of Klinefelter's, the most common being 46/47 XY/XXY at roughly 10% of Klinefelter's cases.
But would a mutation of the AR gene impact people with Klinefelter's syndrome? See the following for details:
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/16/8/1653
Peter
X (AIS from mother) + XY (from father) = AIS (?) and Klinefelter's.
The question mark because I'm not sure whether the X from the father would express as dominant. If it did, then the individual would be a carrier. About 10% of AIS carriers are manifesting. I assume this would also apply to the mosaic form of Klinefelter's, the most common being 46/47 XY/XXY at roughly 10% of Klinefelter's cases.
This is not correct. The problem with AIS is that we have INFERTILE testes - even with Mild AIS. So it is not possible to have a father with AIS. A mother with AIS is possible because she (a carrier) has two X-chromosomes - one with the gene defect and one without it.
However, it is possible with XXY that both the X-chromosomes are provided by the mother. That would make the combination XXY & AIS possible... and very, very unlikely. It would be a rare condition combined with an ever more rare condition.
Often the name AIS is used for conditions that have nothing to do with AIS. A recent study showed that many women who were diagnosed with AIS in the past have a completely different condition. Many people who are looking for a name for their (intersex) condition claim to have AIS - partial or complete. But AIS is not something that can be self-diagnosed.
Groeten, Miriam
But would a mutation of the AR gene impact people with Klinefelter's syndrome? See the following for details:
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/16/8/1653
Peter
Besides that... not every mutation in the Androgen Receptor results in AIS.
groeten, Miriam
prince....ss?
12-06-05, 05:36 PM
Do you realize that you are talking about a member here, Az1. Having discussion on whether or not Az1 is a liar. If the jury decides it’s not possible then what? I thought we weren’t checking skirts at the door.
And just for the record, I do have my medical records that very plainly state my birth condition, included are the surgical reports and lab results from the parts that were removed. So if you want to lift my skirt and scrutinize what you find, have at it. I will be more then happy to send you a copy. I’ll even send pictures!!!
But you know how this game is played…I’ll show you mine…but you will have to show me yours. If you can!!!
Sometimes this place really sucks!!!
Prince….ss?
Priestess
12-06-05, 06:42 PM
http://www3.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/dispomim.cgi?id=300068
It cites a fair number of cases where 47xxy is combined with both classical and non-standard forms of androgen non-response. And I'd wager they haven't cited every case that's ever been discovered by a doctor. They probably don't care as much about reporting partial cases.
I'll say it again. Odds and probabilities are irrelevant for diagnosis of individual cases. It's a good methodology for gamblers, but it's a fool who'd try to say a statistic is a medical symptom.
Think for a second- suppose that someone was brought into a hospital emergency room by an ambulance, barely alive. And the EMT's tell the doctor on call that witnesses saw the victim being struck by lightning. Should the doctor say "the chances of this patient being struck by lightening are millions to one against, so therefore it didn't happen ..."?
You do not know that people who come to this site are average. I think it's a pretty sure bet that many people who come here are not.
I think some of the people here have adopted the not very candid method of making assumptions and accusations about others, instead of talking to them and asking. I already see at least one glass house in this thread, but does the discussion really have to go there? :confused6
Hi Prince....ss,
I thought that Az1’s response was pretty cool. I was impressed. No one here, to my knowledge has said that Az1 is a liar. You said:
"But you know how this game is played…I’ll show you mine…but you will have to show me yours. If you can!!!"
I think that you are being way too harsh on BLO, because I have never known of an incident where what you say applies. Betsy has repeatedly told me that she is against all genital or other checks. She is highly ethical in these matters.
I think you believe that everything would be fine if group harmony was placed above all other values. But I have been in situations where people were not permitted to talk about the "elephant in the middle of the room". Such situations are just as hierarchical as other situations; the only difference is that no one is permitted to speak about the "elephant in the middle of the room". I think that it is perfectly fine to speak about such things. I place a greater value on free speech than social harmony. Also, not allowing intersex people to speak freely would reinforce notions that intersex people are too dumb to understand intersex issues. I know that if I had AIS, I would want someone as well educated as Miriam to help me understand AIS issues.
Also, are you sure that the game you think is being played is the one actually being played? I suspect that the whole issue of AIS and Klinefelter's Syndrome would probably have been dropped, except that Vikti started the issue up again by posting incorrect information about Klinefelter's Syndrome and AIS. I don't think you are seeing the beginning of a witch-hunt.
I generally really like Az1's contribution to this forum. And you are free to say anything you want about me.
Peter
Dana Gold
12-06-05, 07:15 PM
Should the doctor say "the chances of this patient being struck by lightening are millions to one against, so therefore it didn't happen ..."?
If someone like Az1 or I should be the victim in the scenario mentioned above, then the doctor (and other staff) would be happy to say it didn't happen and maybe ...let him or me die...hah, hah, the faggot is dead...fuck him! NO, don't laugh or be offended....Acouple of years ago I was left to lie in the ER and noone attended me after the doctor was repulsed upon discovering I was "really a man"...oh fuck!! did he ever jump backward.....fearing to touch me further...and then the nurses "kept their distance" and I with vertigo, BP = 185/118; disoriented and stupidly told the doctor , when he asked about medical conditions, that I had primary testicular failure. So, that little bit is for the fucks who think that telling "them" that you have some amorphous inter-sex condition ..... or queer-bodied condition (like me) will justify and/or explain your right to exist on this miserable planet as a "gender deviant".....think again....to some of "them", whether LGBTI or other future "non-normal" add-ons, we're all just freaks and faggots..................
that bit of reality goes double for those that think intersex or trans is a "cool thing"...the wanna-bes who wear that moniker like cheap paste-jewelry.....ignorant...live the life and that self-satisfied I'm cool" grin will soon turn upside down and you'll wish you would have never thought of it and proclaimed it as it is...a pseudo-reality
....and if you're really intersex (or born/developed queer-bodied, like me) and then "become" trans...then you're doubly fucked.
Lastly:
We're all forgetting the shit and torment Az1 has and has had from the pukes who cannot, will not, and do not want to consider him and people like me and others here at BLO as just human beings....instead it's freaks of natures and faggots and various pseudo-male/female this and that...and other medicalized/psychosexual vomit and ongoing "moral" paranoia over hyphen sexuality crap....thrown with vehemence and ridicule...and here we are at a "support group" ...again!...down-grading and arguing with each other...the Normals would laugh; they would realize..."they don't have to piss on us"....we'll do it ourselves....people can quibble over bodies like yours and theirs and everybody elses'. who's who and what and where the fuck..forgetting that we all suffer our own shit and have to carry our own water...while others look on with medcalized/psychological expert "professor's glasses"...I posted on this site last year Nov that I was assaulted...except for some snide shit "oh, where have you been" written in a PM to me after a brief "not posting phase..because I realized ...noone else (except 2) seemed to give a shit.or offered "condolensces .....support group? ..and yeah, I'm in a screwed mood today, stressed out and emotionally-driven...to hell with science and medicine and all the other analytical garbage that supposed to be logical and make sense...the planet earth does not make sense...how the hell humankind has managed to thus far survive it's self-inflicted cruelties, violence, "normalcy" , segregation, correct and control and stupidities is a marvel of its own self.
And all of the above is "my fucking problem"...or maybe I'm the fucking problem....whatever.......
Dana the "auto-sexual".:car:..."I keep to myself....the only way to "travel"
I asked the same questions to Az1 in a different thread about two weeks back and as of yet,have recieved no reply
http://www.bodieslikeours.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1563
Canice
In response to Az1,Peter wrote
You said you have AIS. To be honest, I always believed that you were XXY until you mentioned having AIS. As AIS, with only one know exception, is an XY condition, how can you be both XXY and XY? Can you see how it does not add up in my mind?
I believe the XXY part, but have my doubts about the AIS and infant surgery parts.
I asked the same questions to Az1 in a different thread about two weeks back and as of yet,have recieved no reply
I don't think lack of an answer is indicative of much other than wild tin foil hat theories/assumptions on the poster's part.
That said, AZ1 has been a part of this community for a long time..as have many and at no time have I ever doubted his words, just like I haven't doubted the words of many in this forum (well, there's one (http://www.bodieslikeours.org/forums/member.php?u=492)who comes to mind because of the preposterous nature of her posts)
There are no genital checks, karotype checks, etc. when someone registers here. There never has been and there never will be one and I would be appreciative if no one else partakes in it either. If people want, I'm happy to host a private forum for members with rank to post their pictures and medical records if that is what some people need to validate themselves by questioning others. That's a joke...it isn't going to happen but I couldn't help but think of the possibilities as I was reading some posts on this thread.
However, generic posts about intersex wanna-be's are fine. They do exist folks; I don't mention those emails I get from them like I do with the wanna-fucks because I simply reply back to them that they need to see a doctor to get a diagnosis and not write to some schmuck like me for it. BTW, I am so tempted to post a verbatim of todays version because it sounds so similar to a previous poster (who's posts I couldn't find) about previously having a friend who was intersex and is wanting to meet a new one.
I imagine over the next few weeks we will have lots of new visitors and except for the obvious trolls, I expect people to behave themselves and not be a prick.
Not being a prick--drunk or otherwise--is about the only rule we have around here and I hope people can respect it.
prince....ss?
12-06-05, 08:42 PM
Yes you are correct. I do believe group harmony should be placed above all other values. But while we discuss the elephant in the middle of the room, there is no need for a fist fights and name calling and insults.
This thread has done enough damage therefore I will not make any further posts regarding this issue.
Thank you for giving me permission to say anything I want about you. I would never want to say anything that would be hurtful or bring personal embarrassment to you in public. Therefore, I request permission to PM you and “take this outside”
I also think all others should just drop the subject. Start a new thread for topics that won’t be hurtful.
Respectfully,
Prince….ss?
CC...there are no sides to defend here!!!
prince....ss?
12-06-05, 08:52 PM
Why is being a prick, or a dick a derogatory comment?
Are there no pleasant and happy dicks and pricks out there?
Priestess
12-06-05, 09:06 PM
Why is being a prick, or a dick a derogatory comment?
Are there no pleasant and happy dicks and pricks out there?
http://go-girly.com/go/3
comic apparently written by a guy who calls himself perverted :rolleyes2
(most of it isn't too terrible though)
Why is being a prick, or a dick a derogatory comment?
Are there no pleasant and happy dicks and pricks out there?
I think my post is self-explanatory, Prince...ss.
Priestess
12-06-05, 09:48 PM
that bit of reality goes double for those that think intersex or trans is a "cool thing"...the wanna-bes who wear that moniker like cheap paste-jewelry.....ignorant...live the life and that self-satisfied I'm cool" grin will soon turn upside down and you'll wish you would have never thought of it and proclaimed it as it is...a pseudo-reality
....and if you're really intersex (or born/developed queer-bodied, like me) and then "become" trans...then you're doubly fucked.
Lastly:
We're all forgetting the shit and torment Az1 has and has had from the pukes who cannot, will not, and do not want to consider him and people like me and others here at BLO as just human beings....
What? this is cool? Someone should have told the world a lot sooner, then I could have been having lots of fun as Ms Popularity :whatchuta Seriously though, I wasn't forgetting what Az has been through. I've gone through a lot of that stuff myself, even before I knew how much was wrong with me and I was trying to be normal. Except for the married part; straight girls and gay dudes never liked me. Maybe I'm starting to escape the meanness of others, but my past isn't far enough gone to sit lightly in my heart. It's just that I never found any solutions to the aweful feelings, I was only able to endure through it. I wish there was more I had to offer.
I apologize for the meanness of this thread. Any problems with this thread are largely my fault. I believe that people on this forum are generally looking for support for lives that are often very difficult. I know that my own life is not easy. I highly value the different perspectives of people who post here, and have learned a lot through my association with BLO. I am not sorry that I had some questions for Az1. I am sorry for the way in which I handled my questions. There are times when my mean side, driven by a lifetime of social isolation and insecurity comes out. In looking back over this thread, I am not proud of much of what I wrote, and have some idea of the psychological basis of my actions. I am sorry for being mean spirited.
Peter
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