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Danielle_Alicia
05-06-06, 12:03 PM
“Adultery: Breaking The Hearts Of Those That Trust.”
By: Danielle Alicia Martin

"A successful marriage requires falling in love many times, always with the same person. "
~Mignon McLaughlin


I don’t look at adultery as being a religious issue, personally. Adultery is something that I don’t believe in doing, myself, and I would feel that way without ever having read the Bible.

I cheated one time on my boyfriend, back in high school when I was still so young and stupid. I never forgot how it crushed him and how he cried in pain. It was at that moment that I realized I never wanted to do that again to another human being. Although it wasn’t adultery by dictionary standards, it felt the same to me, and I am quite sure, to him. It hurt me considerably, and still does, all these years later. I have never forgotten that powerful lesson.

I didn’t have sex with either my boyfriend nor the other guy I was with, but I felt like I had cheated because I had kissed and fallen for another guy. I was still a virgin at the time. But, I did learn the devastating consequences of a kiss, of giving your heart away to another. And, I learned what it felt like inside to lie and hide away with guilt, shame, and rationalization as my only allies.

I have never cheated on anyone since, but it was that horrible feeling all those years ago that made me realize a few things about love, promises, and sex.

We give our hearts to someone, we tell them we love them. We often say things like, “you’re the most beautiful person in the world to me,” terms of endearments to touch the intended’s soul. We draw them close to us emotionally, we make them feel like they are the best thing in the world. People say these things to us as well, they help us along to believe completely in them.

But, what happens when we find out it is all lies, and that the person has been telling others the same terms of endearments? That they have been having sex with another and lying to us about it? The results can be devastating. I have since been cheated on and I know what it feels like.

Eventually, I came up with a sort of theory on how to make my relationships work. I believe both people need to be fully involved with the relationship on all levels. This is one of the many reasons why I won’t allow the use of pornography in any relationship I am in. It often creates unrealistic expectations and the person who views it can start objectifying people instead of seeing them for their other, not so readily seen traits. It can desensitize a person to their partner’s emotional needs. Now, that is just my understanding of it, yours may be different and also quite valid.

Looking at someone other than your spouse, desiring another, daydreaming scenarios where you are with this other person, all these things take a person out of the moment of the relationship they are in. I believe their energy is best suited being put towards the one they married. And, if their relationship needs “sparking,” then I suggest counseling or that they may be with the wrong person altogether.

Which brings me to another point. Why get married if you are a cheater? Why not just stay single and not have to worry about divorce? That never made much sense to me.

The fact is, when the majority of us get married we do so, I believe, with the intention of being faithful forever, or at least that is what we say. That is an ultimate promise to me. I have always seen the sexual act between two people who are in love as being the most private, soul-bearing, vulnerable, and expressive of all the things they do together. No one can watch, no one can see. No one can know what goes on (in most cases, bearing in mind there is always an exception to the rule), it is a beautiful thing, a physical symbol of their love and joy together.

And, I believe once you break that bond you may find it inordinately difficult to ever get it back. Even if your spouse doesn’t know what you did, you will know inside your heart, and if you have any feelings at all, it will torture you and eat you alive. The shame of lies and deception will hurt your marriage. How can it possibly help? I don’t see it, but then again, cultures are different, people are different.

I would say that it is best to live without guilt. If you are in a marriage where it is implicitly said or understood that fidelity is expected, then live up to your promise, forever.

Another reason for that is personal integrity. If you can’t help lying and cheating on the one person you have made a solemn oath to, if you can’t keep what should have been the most sacred promise of your life, then how can you be trusted in anything at all? This decision concerns you, in a big way. What do you stand for? Did you say you would be faithful? If you did, then take this as an opportunity to prove your deep, strong character. Straying from your spouse is also straying from yourself, and can speak volumes about the person you really are.

Is it ok that many people today don’t take vows seriously? Is it ok and acceptable to just lie to your spouse? In my experience, there are very few oaths or vows one might take in their life. As a woman of honor, I take them dead seriously. If I didn’t enter my marriage with sober and careful deliberation, then I personally wouldn’t feel like much of a wife, nor a human being.

Yes, I am well aware that many people claim adultery saved their marriage, and I am also aware of “open marriages” that have been successful. That is fine for them. I am just not that type of person ,and wouldn’t fit well into a marriage like that at all. For me, fidelity, honor, and virtue are not words just bandied about; they are a living, working, everyday reality of mine. I would only marry a man whom I felt had the same principles and honor himself. I would rather remain single for the rest of my life then settle for anything less than that. And, I mean that.

I would say, put your marriage first. Put your mind towards listening to your spouse, not towards pornography or running after strangers. If you put the same effort into your marriage that you do in hiding all those porn tapes and covering up your illicit tracks, then you might just find that your marriage can be much more fulfilling when you feel good about who you are! Shame and guilt, fear and pain are all destroyers if left unchecked and never learned from.

I think society feels the way they do about adultery primarily because of how it makes one feel when it happens. The one who has been offended is often in deep pain and tells their friends and then might find a sympathetic and understanding ear. This is something that really hurts us as humans.

When we give ourselves to another, then that should just be it. You should, ideally, have thought about the person you are going to marry, the promises you will make, and be mature enough to know what you are, and aren’t, capable of. You will definitely, throughout the course of your life, meet some amazing people who are also worthy of love. But they can’t have yours, because you already gave your dedication and love to someone who was also worthy of love. These people you meet must find love somewhere else.

I know a lot of people want to have sex with no meaning, but is that really feasible? And, if at all possible to do, is it worth the danger? An orgasm is the most powerful reinforcer in the world. It reinforces our thoughts and behaviors. Sex is fraught with dangers, is it not? And removing caring, love, tenderness and all emotions from the act, what does that do? What are we left with? And, just because you are feeling nothing during the act, does that mean your partner feels the same way? If you care at all about another human being, then why would you want to even take the chance? Selfishness, caring more about your orgasm than a human being is not something I endorse or recommend you follow. It is the path to weakness. It is easy to hurt someone, but it is far harder to heal. Learn to build people up, not treat them like playthings for your pleasure.

Once again, I humbly submit these ideas and have an open mind to discussion about them.
:broken_he

Wyn
05-07-06, 02:15 PM
from a bunch of primitive, semi-sentient, quasi-intelligent anthropoids?

mohnblume
05-07-06, 06:18 PM
Danielle, ... if you still do trust, then I agree with you. What, if you don't any longer, because you have no more common with your partner, but don't want to go into a divorce? I guess, in such a case it can even be a solution. Of course, both have to agree with such a deal.

Priestess
05-11-06, 08:38 AM
and to think that people here have made allusions to me somehow imagining myself holy, and even suggesting that I preach. :umno: It's so unfair.

Danielle_Alicia
05-11-06, 11:14 AM
Danielle, ... if you still do trust, then I agree with you. What, if you don't any longer, because you have no more common with your partner, but don't want to go into a divorce? I guess, in such a case it can even be a solution. Of course, both have to agree with such a deal.

Thank you for your comments. No, I am not married nor in a relationship...haven't been in anything serious for over 6 years now. These papers I am publishing here are just part of my most recent philosophy class assignments. I had to write on civil disobedience, and I had to write on adultery, among many other topics. :)

Danielle_Alicia
05-11-06, 11:15 AM
and to think that people here have made allusions to me somehow imagining myself holy, and even suggesting that I preach. :umno: It's so unfair.

Is this not the "speak your mind" part of the forum?

mohnblume
05-11-06, 04:53 PM
I know a couple, two children, all happy. But one day the wife felt in love to another woman. It came to the point that she could not stay away from her any more. So they got on knive's edge, to let everything falling apart or to find a solution. They decided for the solution: Now, the man has two women, both women had themselves and the man, the children have two moms ... it seems to work. Might be not everybody's taste. but it works. Perhaps not in the bible belt, but in Europe, and other parts of the world, where they see a relationship from a different edge.

I am a very strong believer that your life, your marriage is not for the eternity. It works for a certain section of your time. And within this time, both partners have changed, have learned, being even more happy, or got frustrated. So you should always be aeare of the next step, and discuss it with hyour partner ... on time, please!!!

Priestess
05-15-06, 04:11 PM
Is this not the "speak your mind" part of the forum?

Yes Danielle, it is, and you should feel yourself able to speak freely.

My comment wasn't to you so much as it was to others in our audience. You see, due to my expressing my opinion that activism for one particular goal was entirely misguided, I have people /hating/ me in various ways, & making comments insinuating that I must think I'm the holy voice of god, effectively a hypocrit, etc etc. Taking their ammunition from my screen name mostly, I'd guess. Except I never chose my nick based on reasons like that, at the time it seemed like a cute wordplay on my name. I sure don't feel too holy most days.

And my memory may not be so good lately, but I don't seem to recall many times when I told other people how to live their lives for all the parts of living which weren't related to them posting about a subject or concern related to intersex. Sure I have other interests, I just usually save them for other sites.

I made my comment in reply because the same people here aren't giving you hell for when you do tell them how to live. It's just sour grapes on my part, no offense intended against you.

-- Melissa

Danielle_Alicia
05-16-06, 12:41 PM
Yes Danielle, it is, and you should feel yourself able to speak freely.

My comment wasn't to you so much as it was to others in our audience. You see, due to my expressing my opinion that activism for one particular goal was entirely misguided, I have people /hating/ me in various ways, & making comments insinuating that I must think I'm the holy voice of god, effectively a hypocrit, etc etc. Taking their ammunition from my screen name mostly, I'd guess. Except I never chose my nick based on reasons like that, at the time it seemed like a cute wordplay on my name. I sure don't feel too holy most days.

And my memory may not be so good lately, but I don't seem to recall many times when I told other people how to live their lives for all the parts of living which weren't related to them posting about a subject or concern related to intersex. Sure I have other interests, I just usually save them for other sites.

I made my comment in reply because the same people here aren't giving you hell for when you do tell them how to live. It's just sour grapes on my part, no offense intended against you.

-- Melissa

Well, I personally find your name quite clever, and I like it. And, I understand where you are coming from, completely.
These papers I am putting here are just stuff from my last philosophy class, that's all. I am now starting a PC Applications class, but I don't think I will be posting boring stuff on Microsoft Office, lol.
I have stopped posting my papers because I was like, "whoa...everybody seems to be just hating every word I write!" I didn't come here to start fights, I really wanted to come here to make friends. Maybe it is my fault for making too "hotshot" or overbearing of an entrance.
Anyways, I wish you all the best and thank you for taking the time to post here to me. :)
~Danielle

Priestess
05-16-06, 07:22 PM
Well, I personally find your name quite clever, and I like it. And, I understand where you are coming from, completely.
These papers I am putting here are just stuff from my last philosophy class, that's all. I am now starting a PC Applications class, but I don't think I will be posting boring stuff on Microsoft Office, lol.
I have stopped posting my papers because I was like, "whoa...everybody seems to be just hating every word I write!" I didn't come here to start fights, I really wanted to come here to make friends. Maybe it is my fault for making too "hotshot" or overbearing of an entrance.
Anyways, I wish you all the best and thank you for taking the time to post here to me. :)
~Danielle

Thank you as well, Danielle. :thumbs_up And good luck with all the publicity and stuff. I know that for myself, I wouldn't want to be famous. Someone else can have my 15 minutes.

I think that what you've posted so far hasn't been any worse than some of the subjects that the long term regulars here have posted. I hadn't realized that they were showing their anger at you already, it makes my complaint seem rather childish. If you're wondering why, I might guess at the possible reason(s); your avatar shows a picture of someone with a happy expression on a fairly normal female face; and your posts don't show you as someone who's been crying her eyes out over her inner gender conflicts & childhood mutilations. The mean ones here, they must hate you for when they look at themselves and feel (undeservedly) sad and/or ugly. None of this being your fault, due more to their lack of lucidity. Though nothing is ever certain in my mind.

I'm not entirely new to the net, I've been online for about 11 years now, and before that another 2 years occasionally on bbs/fidonet. I know there are lots of people who can claim a greater longevity and experience, I only mention this in saying that I've so often found myself disappointed by people's conduct online.

Just as an example, recently someone here spontaneously professed their friendship and how much they really liked me as a person, and begged me to email them and tell them how I was doing. Eventually, I got around to sending some email. Which they later said they never got, and suggested I keep trying. Though I only sent one more email after that.

As of yesterday, all of my outgoing email was being rejected, regardless of destination; from what little I could gather in a talk with my internet folks, a certain unnamed person's isp had complained about the terrible friendly email I'd sent and gotten me shut down. Only temporarily, thank goodness.

But to those here who happen to lack the courage to discuss any of the issues they support, or the honor to behave in a less-Machiavellan fashion ... you win. This is the last straw. Very few of the people here ever want to talk about anything, and it seems like I can't trust anyone. Goodbye. Though I can't guess at how many people won't be cheering because I left.

ciao

(And good luck Danielle. You'll need it )

mohnblume
05-16-06, 08:12 PM
"I have stopped posting my papers because I was like, "whoa...everybody seems to be just hating every word I write!" I didn't come here to start fights, I really wanted to come here to make friends"

I might understand your words the wrong way ... do you mean that a friend always has to have the same opinion as yours?

Danielle_Alicia
05-25-06, 08:41 PM
"I have stopped posting my papers because I was like, "whoa...everybody seems to be just hating every word I write!" I didn't come here to start fights, I really wanted to come here to make friends"

I might understand your words the wrong way ... do you mean that a friend always has to have the same opinion as yours?

Yes, you do misunderstand me if that is what you thought. No, I meant that a friend would ask me, as you have done here, what I meant by something instead of just assuming what I meant. Someone who just assumes is not a person i would cultivate a friendship with, personally. Someone who asks me is a potential friend.

Agreeing with me is something I care little about, but being kind and considerate to me, is.

jennie
05-28-06, 10:44 PM
i left my first huband because he hit me and he was turning into an alcholic.i didnt stop loving him. i remarried and i was happy,after 15years he left me but it was for another women i still cant come to terms with it properley 11yrs on .it screws with your head i felt even less a women then. and i never even thought about me i stopped eating i could not concentate i just went down into the dark then i also had the bad news that my vagina plasty had shrunk due to lack of use for want of another fraze i am still single with very low self esteem love is what every one needs even a cuddle every day makes life better i am so honest its unreal i send out love to all those who need a hug x

tinytool
05-28-06, 11:48 PM
Howdy Jennie! Ron here, thanx 4 the hug & I send one back 2 u.

Danielle_Alicia
05-29-06, 09:59 AM
i left my first huband because he hit me and he was turning into an alcholic.i didnt stop loving him. i remarried and i was happy,after 15years he left me but it was for another women i still cant come to terms with it properley 11yrs on .it screws with your head i felt even less a women then. and i never even thought about me i stopped eating i could not concentate i just went down into the dark then i also had the bad news that my vagina plasty had shrunk due to lack of use for want of another fraze i am still single with very low self esteem love is what every one needs even a cuddle every day makes life better i am so honest its unreal i send out love to all those who need a hug x
I am so sorry Jennie...I totally know what you are going through though, and I wish you all the best. I really hope things get better for you very soon!

Sofie
05-29-06, 09:59 AM
Hi Jennie
Sorry to hear you hurt. I know living alone can be hard. Do you have friends or meet other people at maybe a club or community-center who care?
hugs