Testosterone for xxy

[The_Red_Pill]

Hello all...I'm xxy and am in the process of switching from taking estrogene to taking testosterone as replacement therepy. Testosterone therepy was not given as an option to me when I was a child and I was assigned female though my feelings said otherwise.

I'd like to hear from others who have had the same experience.

Really glad I found this site!

[prince....ss?]

Hello The red pill,

I was the purple pill long ago and the stuff was not good. I assume you are talking about Premarin? I assume also that you are having difficulties with estrogen. Or your name is in reference to Matrix with “ The red pill or the blue pill”

I just started again with the HRT after a 25 year break. I don’t know if you’re familiar with xxytalk.com. Onnineko just posted some excellent information about being xxy and HRT. That is an excellent place for information and support. You should check that out.

But we have good information and good people over here also so welcome to BLO

If you wish to share I would like to know your issues with the E and what your thoughts are on switching to T.

Like I said I just started the Estradiol patch and will try to add some T in about 2 months.

Welcome to BLO

[The_Red_Pill]

My chromosome make-up is xo/xy ..... I understood this to be MGD. Sorry if I'm refering to a different intersex condition. I took "xxy" to be inclusive of that condition. Basically, I'm seeking Testosterone hormone replacement because I identify as male. I read Onnineko's article and found it informative. I do have one issue with the article and that is I don't understand why he doesn't recommend the "transsexual" option and why "it doesn't make sense".....(I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like transphobia to me.) From what I have researched, a majority of people with my condition identify as male. What happened to me was that my gender was assigned incorrectly. I figure since I do identify as male, I should take the proper hormone. My endocrinologist has agreed.

I guess to get to the point, I would like to hear from intersex folk who have entered the "Medical Establishments program for either Female to Male or Male to Female Transexuals" (from Onnineko's article you've referenced) and how they have responded to it.

Thanks again for your welcome Prince...ess.

[Kailana]

that was a joke by the way.

I am also XY/XO, but am MtF essentially, and it took years to actually get refferals for an endo. I did the military thing as a young man, that is where i actually found out im XY/XO. Now then, not everyone with MGD, Mixed Gonadal Dysgenisis Identifies male. That is one of those many many misconceptions about being IS and XY/XO. The many years of being reassigned or assigned genders by Surgeons has made all those text books and medical documents sound as if we tend to express our genders as one or the other. Truth is we are all over the place, some male, some female, some in the gender mixed or 3rd Gender concepts of being a little of both.

now then, i also believe i was assigned wrong. Its pretty much just that simple. i also believe that anyone can be anything, if that is thier personal belief. I really wish, people had the understanding that we are not all the same. There are no exact standards for anyone person that will exactly fit another. We are each unique individuals.

hey now if youd like to hear more, just holler, ok. i am actually an open book, just ask, and i'll try to help. I really dont want to have to gointo to much now, as i am not really sure what it is that you would like to really hear or are interested in. But, i will say, i have been looking and researching for well over 13 years now. I do have some knowledge stored away in my kinda slow, but still functional brain. I am not as good at posting sights and stuff for others to look at. I have enough experience with shrinks and doctors to make my own opinions about what should or should not be done to people like us as infants.

Please holler a hello, i'd appreciate a fellow XY/XO. There have been other here in the past, But it has been some time sense i have seen them post.

Thanks again for stoppping by, i would like to understand exactly what your looking for. I'f i didnt make it clear above, i am transsitioning, MtF. i guess i may have some answers for you. just dont know exactly what it is your looking for.
Take care, best wishes

[Onnineko]

My chromosome make-up is xo/xy .....
I understood this to be MGD. Sorry if I'm refering to a different intersex condition. I took "xxy" to be inclusive of that condition. Basically, I'm seeking Testosterone hormone replacement because I identify as male. I read Onnineko's article and found it informative. I do have one issue with the article and that is I don't understand why he doesn't recommend the "transsexual" option and why "it doesn't make sense".....(I hope I'm wrong, but that sounds like transphobia to me.) From what I have researched, a majority of people with my condition identify as male. What happened to me was that my gender was assigned incorrectly. I figure since I do identify as male, I should take the proper hormone. My endocrinologist has agreed.


:) hi...

I'm certainly not the person to ask about what is included in XXY.. If what I write works for you, great. :) And you ask a very good question: Why, exactly, do I not recommend the transexual option for individuals XXY?

Hmm.. I have a complex answer, that has absolutely nothing to do with transphobia. Where to start..

Lets start with the Medical Establishment, that has placed the concept of XXY as male only, despite a considerable and growing base of knowledge that recognizes the normalcy of XXY females. Most people are unaware that XXY and female is a normal state of existance, that XXY females are fertile and unless all females undergo genetic testing, it is not possible to pick out which are XXY and which are XX. So we have knowledge that is available but not widely dispersed about other conditions of XXY, so why are XXY males only male? The Medical Establishment has correctly determined that about half or slightly more of XXY "males" identify male. And it is far easier to not apply corrections to all XXY males than to take a wait and see approach, since half or more of this class of people are going to grow up to be and identify male. You might say they got it half right.

Then we have to consider the individuals whom are XXY males. Some of them identify male and some (according to the Medical Establishment) have "Gender Dysphoria" and do not identify male. That can mean both, neither, other, or female. So they identify as:
MALE:
This person from about 10-14 will be starting puberty, identifies male, and should take at least a minimum of Testosterone to avoid becoming a giant... XXYers grow tall, because they do not get enough basic sex hormone during puberty so the bones don't cap. Instead they keep growing until the body eventually gets enough. All XXY males should be under the care of an Endrocrinologist from about 10, if only to avoid being 6'6" tall and all legs/arms. Further, for bone density Testosterone is strictly necessary to aid in strong bone development. After all, identify male, take Testosterone. The only problem with the current system is how much Testosterone gets recommended. There is NO standard. XXY males do not need as much Testosterone as a normal XY male. When they take that much, they basically have a garrentee for Cancer(s). Too much is still bad.
FEMALE:
Ah, this is more complex. When on no hormone supplementation the brain (more female than male) is telling the body NEED MORE Estrogen. And the other side of the brain is telling the body .. (absurdly low cap) Cap the Estrogen and Testosterone waaay down here, far under what the female brain wants. Not having enough Estrogen kicks off the bodies emergency signals, like Anxiety, Depression, Panic Attacks, Fatigue, etc.. Add that to Gender Dysphoria and you have one stressed out and confused person in alot of pain. Further if we take this person at age 10-14 and put them on Testosterone, we cause their body to break in ways that are not congruent to their sexual identity. Which is bad, long term. However these people still need to build up bone mass, just like all other XXY people. So they should be on an Estrogen regimen, and under the care of an Endocrinologist.
OTHER, BOTH, NEITHER:
These people are the puzzle. I believe estrogen is the kindler gentler of the hormones. And if this person wants to go be male later, they can, just switch to Testosterone and male puberty will follow.

So why not change the outside to match the inside if you have Gender Dysphoria? That is a personal decision for the individual. Before taking such large steps, it is important to get to a level that you can make educated decisions from. The first step in managing your own health care is to remove the basic issues that are causing you significant distress. If after that you understand personally, that this is not far enough down the path of XXY to Male or XXY to Female then you have the impetus to continue. Don't confuse the first step, of placing yourself in a more healthy and stable position, with the results of your life.

So if you are XXY or something else thats pretty close there are some simple steps to solving this delima of "what am I", and "who am I?"
Step 1)
Resolve the basic issues that are causing enormous problems with your ability to interact with life it self. This should be the basics of the bodies alarm system. The Anxieties, the panic attacks, fatigue, etc. So step 1 is about getting your primary sex hormone up to a minimum level, so that you can get nutrients out of a healthy diet. Think veggie and a healthy diet. Get some exercise.
Step 2)
Now that you have resolved at least some of the horrors of major diseases that you are going to get if you don't protect yourself. Now that you have turned off at least some of the bodies alarm systems.. (Non-XXYers with enough basic hormone start here.) Now its time to address issues you might have with Gender Dysphoria. There is a program designed just for this. And your Doctor can best guide you.

So basically what I am recommending is that people with more problems, solve the obvious ones before starting on a complex subject like Gender Dysphoria. Many people who choose that route to changing sex don't go all the way, some do. Finding your personal comfort zone is important only to you. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

.. and then I realized after all that I hadn't answered your question...
Why, exactly, do I not recommend the transexual option for individuals XXY?
I do not recommend the transexual option for individuals with XXY, because once they have achieved a minimal level of hormone in their endocrine system, the Gender Dysphoria might have receded from a driving need to a dim feeling of displacement. They might no longer have that driving need to change themselves so completely. For an XXY person, attempting to just reach that level a more "normal" person starts at is in it self a trial. And if they then determine it is necessary to make changes in themselves, they can.

Don't mistake my recommendation for estrogen for an XXY person at the minimum level of 100-120/750 pg/ml as something that will cause transexualism. A Male to Female transexual's target for estrogen is near 400/750 pg/ml. Likewise Testosterone target for an XXY person is 170-250/1100 ng/ml. And a Female to Male transexual's target is 600-700/1100 ng/ml. We cannot compare the two states being XXY on Hormone Replacement Therapy and being a transexual.

[CC]

Onnineko

Brilliant post :applaudth

OTHER, BOTH, NEITHER:

I'm thinking about applying for a name change,which one of these three would you reccommend :)

I do not recommend the transexual option for individuals with XXY, because once they have achieved a minimal level of hormone in their endocrine system, the Gender Dysphoria might have receded from a driving need to a dim feeling of displacement.

After two years of estrogen therapy where,reaching a balance was 'always' my intended goal,I thoroughly agree with the above statement

Best wishes
C

[Onnineko]

Onnineko

Brilliant post :applaudth



I'm thinking about applying for a name change,which one of these three would you reccommend :)



After two years of estrogen therapy where,reaching a balance was 'always' my intended goal,I thoroughly agree with the above statement

Best wishes
C
OTher, BOth, Neither

Otbonei Herther .. Of course. :)

[Dr_Owl]

After two years of estrogen therapy where,reaching a balance was 'always' my intended goal,I thoroughly agree with the above statement

Either way you go. You need to have some type of hormone replacement or your going to get sick! :boohoo:

I know I have been doing it for 30+ years.
I sort of think I know a bit about XXY by now. I'm sure its not as popular as they say...1 in 1000. A load of bull I think. I havent met people with it before. But it seems OK to me to have been born with :mrgreen:
If I went to change as a girl....Bloody Hell I'd crack all the mirrors in the city with my ugly head. LOL!!!!
Yep best staying as a man on the Testosterone....Hahahaha

Andrew

[CC]

Hello Andrew and welcome to BodiesLikeOurs :wavey:

I'm sure its not as popular as they say...1 in 1000.

:umno:
Would you believe its the most common chromosomal anomaly there is,with the figures closer to 1 in 500 :gulp:


I havent met people with it before.

That's a shame :thinking: there's a group of us (xxy's) in Sydney who get together for social evenings,if you are interested,please contact me at canice@<hidden>