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Betsy
04-11-04, 03:02 PM
I didn't want to have a reply to what Uriela posted in the other very loooon thread so I reposted the post to reply here.
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But there's one condition I might consider transsexuality an intersex condition: That's if and when they start diagnosing GID in infancy and performing brain surgeries to fix it without the child's consent. That's when I feel that the treatment of transsexuality is similar enough to other intersex conditions that it makes sense to join together as a movement.
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Emi, that does not sound like a pretty prospect. Whether you or anyone else prefers not to consider TS as an IS condition, I don't consider it to be a "psychological condition", but rather biologically rooted. I've read what you have written about the brain studies and, certainly, all this study of cadavers has not resulted in any "physical proof", on a living breathing human being, such proof requiring brain dissection. Frankly, if they are able to do such a thing by brain scans or whatever, we certainly may end up with that kind of frightful situation, if not by putting us out of "their" misery, so "they" don't have to deal with it.

Nameste'

Uriela

p.s. I don't think this is the place to discuss this, but I felt I had to speak up.


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Last edited by uriela on 04-10-04 at 05:49 PM

Unfortunately, I don't think the horrifying prospect of that happening is so far off. Look at the research the Eric Vilaine is coming out with. While the PR dept at UCLA hyped it as being something that might be good for IS or TS people, I think it's just the opposite. I see grave dangers in science attempting to define us and our sex and our gender using genetic components.

Betsy

Az1
04-14-04, 12:05 PM
cnn had a story on brain implants, I thought implants were freaky but this is to much.
Look out may be the next gender, sompthin like cloning.

Az1

Muhoe

Sophie338
04-16-04, 10:12 AM
Hi Betsy :)

You said:

"Unfortunately, I don't think the horrifying prospect of that happening is so far off. Look at the research the Eric Vilaine is coming out with. While the PR dept at UCLA hyped it as being something that might be good for IS or TS people, I think it's just the opposite. I see grave dangers in science attempting to define us and our sex and our gender using genetic components."

I have come to the uncomfortable conclusion that there is some very scrary "ethics" out there where the medical profession, backed up by an allegedly "moral" society wants to have complete control of the body. what bothered me about Vilain was the WNT4 study he did a few years back. where he suggested treating intersex children before birth with somatic gene therapy to "make them normal". The risks of this far outweigh any of the dubious "benefits".

To me the whole thing smacks of the idea that society can 9and when given the opportunity) will not just force anyone into conforming to certain "norms" but does so in a manner that is inbelievably agressive.

All the best :)

Hugs

Sophie.