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RGMCjim
05-26-04, 08:37 PM
I think most of you know that I have progestin induced virilization. When I was born in 1957 with ambiguous genitals the doctors attending my mother did not know much if anything about Intersex, and were not aware of that large dosages of progestin would result in Intersexed babies. I was initially assigned female but it was suggested to my parents that they dress me in yellow and green, call me by a nickname and wait to see if I leaned toward girl or boy. In very early childhood I clearly identified as a boy so that's how I grew up. I was taught that I was "just like all the other boys" except for having a penis that didn't develop all the way and no testicles. My childhood certainly wasn't uneventful, and neither my parents nor I learned the complete truth about my body until I was 44 years old.

One of the issues that remains unresolved is my birth certificate. My parents attempted to have it changed when I was a teenager and I tried myself when I was in my late twenties. Both attempts were unsuccessful and lack of funds prevented a lengthy legal battle. The only model they had for changing gender on a birth certificate was transsexuals and I didn't fit the bill. I'm currently employed as a paralegal and the lawyer I am working for has been trying unsuccessfully for two years to get it changed. I'm facing right-wing conservative judges who, 20 years later, still have no legal precedents for gender changes except for transsexuals. They told my lawyer that they don't even have a protocol for dealing with this on an individual basis. She has submitted my petition three times, each time including a new list of required documents, legal research, medical definitions and affidavits. They have yet to except the petition.

One of the great loves of my life is singing in the Rochester Gay Men's Chorus. This summer GALA choruses will lay siege to the city of Montréal like singing barbarians. Between 6000 and 8000 GLBTI will be singing. Not me. It is possible to get a passport even if you don't have a birth certificate but I'm not getting anywhere with it. I was given a list of documentation by the State Department and I sent twice as much as they asked for. I was reassured that this was just a simple matter and that I would have my passport in no time. I was smarter than to get excited with false hope. Good thing. When my request reached the head of the department he sent me a letter asking for an original divorce decree rather than a copy and a long form birth certificate. I sent these in and received yet another letter from him asking for another affidavits from someone who knew me as an infant and could corroborate that the female birth certificate did in fact refer to me, and demanding another official record such a baptismal certificate. If I could produce these items they would issue me a passport under the name I've lived my whole life as. However, they would not change the gender.

The partner of one of the men I sing with in chorus works for the post office processing passports. They were at Tim's and my Union last October. He couldn't believe that this was unresolvable and tried calling the State Department himself. He hit the same brick wall I had. Quite simply, they know that Intersexed people exist and even know what our needs are likely to be but have no vehicle for handling us on an individual basis. My friend's advice to me was to go ahead and get the passport with the incorrect gender on it and if I am stopped trying to get back into the United States I should just explain my circumstances. Boy would I need balls for that trick.

So far my odyssey in achieving a legal identity that matches my life, my appearance, my identity, my position in society, and parts of my sexual anatomy, (although not all of it) can be summed up this way;

My gender counts for nothing. My physical appearance counts for nothing. The fact that I have lived my entire life as a boy/man counts for nothing. The fact that I was married to woman counts for nothing. The fact that I am a father counts for nothing. The fact that I am a gay man amongst Gay men and have been partnered to the same man and raised children with him for the past 10 years counts for nothing. The fact that my Social Security records, school and employment records, tax records, medical records, and driver's license etc. all say "male" counts for nothing. I'm not legally defined by the reality of my life, or my body. If that were the case everything would say Intersexed man. I'm not legally defined by the close second of male/man. I am legally defined by the best guess made by an obstetrician in 1957 on the day I was born, and despite 47 years that contradicts that initial assignment the legal system is not willing and not required to change it.

I would really enjoy hearing the experiences of other Intersexed people who have been in a similar circumstance.

Jim Costich

neko
05-27-04, 12:44 AM
There is precedent for changing birth certificates of intersex people. Here's one case:

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/BornHermaphrodite/

There are also lots of cases of correcting mistakes on birth certificates or missing birth certificates, where the parents didn't file the paperwork, or made a mistake, or didn't speak english or whatever. Most states also have a procedure called a "delayed birth certificate" where you submit evidence that you were actually born there, and they give you a birth certificate. Have you tried that?

You may also be able to approach this another way. You want a passport, right? To get a passport you need to prove you're a US citizen. Well there are lots of citizenship cases where courts ruled that a person was a US citizen. So ask for a declaratory judgement that you're a US citizen. There's fairly well established precedent for that kind of ruling. Then take that to the passport office. They have to give you a passport if you're a citizen.

Seriously, try calling immigration attorneys and tell them that you were born in the US, but there was a mistake on your birth certificate, and you need to establish your citizenship so you can get a passport. I bet they see cases like that all the time and know how to handle it.

RGMCjim
05-27-04, 09:34 AM
Neko,
I have a birth certificate with a female name and female sex on it. The court won't change it on grounds of "mistaken sex at birth" because I'm not male. My anatomy is mixed and I'm sterile so there is no more reason to argue that I'm male than female. The court refuses to "correct" one inaccuracey with another inaccuracey. If my REAL sex, (intersex) could be put on my birth certificate it would settle the "which lie is better" problem, but alas that is not an option.

People at the state department assured me that they have procedures for establishing identity and citizenship in the absence of a valid birth certificate, told me specifically what to submit (I sent twice as much as required) and not to worry) This included an affidavit from my mother, my primary care physician, and my CSW explaining that I am intersexed blah, blah. I also included my divorce decree, a statement from social security indicating that I'd been employed as a boy/man from the age of 16 on, and an adoption certificate for my son amoung other things. The people I spoke to at the state department assured me that I hadn't a worry in the world. HOWEVER, regional director Robert T. Sheehan reviewed all of this and replied that he would issue me a passport with my male name on it (if I send more documentation linking the birth certificate to me) but won't change the gender. So, I will get a passport that says, James D. Costich - female. He's not willing to change a gender for ANY reason. He's telling me to get Surrogate's Court to do it on my birth certificate. Only then will he correct my passport to male. Surrogate's Court is trying to avoid ruling for or against because intersex is not recognized legally, only transsexual is. Therefore any Court decision made for the intersexed is uncharted territory. Nobody wants to be a legal Christopher Colombus.

Jim

RGMCjim
05-27-04, 11:45 AM
Neko,
Thank you, thank you, thank you for Lynn Harris' link. I'm in NY, he's in CA - I'd seen his personal ad before but had no idea about his battles with CA. It's so similar to my situation (especially the Bureau of Vital Statistics refusing to honor Court Orders despite the fact that they have no statute allowing them to do that). The Bureau of Vital Statistics in NY has told me that if I got a Court Order to change the gender on my birth certificate they would refuse to honor it because I've had no genital surgery to "correct" my genitals from ambiguous to more male-like. They say they would do this because they refuse to honor court orders from Judges telling them to change the genders of non-op or pre-op transsexuals. I know they do this - we have transexual clients who we've obtained such court orders for only to have Vital Statistics refuse to change the gender on their BCs. Both of them were on their way to surgery and chose not to bother fighting it out.

You've given me a priceless tool!

XOXOXOXO

Jim

Glenn
05-27-04, 06:07 PM
to sing in Montreal, you don't need a passport. just a US driver's license will generally get you into Canada. unless the airlines are making up their own rules...in which case you could just drive there.

RGMCjim
05-27-04, 08:16 PM
Glenn,
The problem isn't getting into Canada. It's getting back into the States. Transsexual chorus members from all over the country, including one chorus that is JUST Trans-women have had to withdraw. RGMC is getting there by chartered bus and we were told back in Sept. that no one could get on without a passport because the US Imigration service said that by summer passports, or Birth Certificates and a Photo ID would be necessary to get back in the States.

Does your "ursine member" refer to being a Bear? We're members of a Bear group in Rochester.

Jim

Glenn
05-28-04, 08:53 AM
guess we can thank 9/11 for the immigration changes.

my nickname is Bear, since I give big hugs and other sillier reasons. :)

claraJane
05-28-04, 11:27 AM
Hi Glen,

You're right about needing the passport. My husband tried boarding a flight for Toronto with just a driver's license and a birth certificate. They wouldn't let him on without a passport.

I had no trouble changing my birth certificate but perhaps my state is more open-minded than New York. Mine required a parent and a doctor to sign an affidavit stating that a mistake had been made. They also changed my name at that time. No court order was necessary.

State bureaucrats can be pretty anal. When I married I changed my middle name. Georgia allowed me to *not* put my old middle name on my marriage license. When I moved to Maryland I hadn't yet changed my GA drivers license. So, I went to the DMV with my marriage license and my GA drivers license. They insisted that my middle name had to either be what it was on my GA dl or I could use my maiden surname as my new middle name.

I sent a letter to Social Security asking for a new card with my married name, using the new middle name. They promptly sent me a new card. I sent that card, my old passport, and my marriage license to the Passport folks and they promptly sent me back my modified passport.

Then I went back to DMV and the lady told me that I still couldn't change my middle name. I told her that two valid federal IDs should be sufficient and asked to see her supervisor. When I went far enough up the food chain someone reluctantly admitted that a US Passport was a valid ID.

Jim, what you're asking seems perfectly reasonable to me. Certainly there's either a loophole or a reasonable judge somewhere. You were born in upstate New York? They have one of the strictest change requirements.

http://www.thetransitionalmale.com/NameChangeBC.html

I wonder what the requirements are for surgery. Perhaps you could get one of the FTM doctors to do something minor that, on paper, would satisfy the State? (Like testicular implants that dissolve over time?)

Wish I could fix it for you,

Jane

Sunshine1
05-28-04, 09:10 PM
Dear Jim,

I was driving around working today and the more I drove the more I got mad thinking about your post. This isn't right and you are being punished because your gender didn't side with how one person saw you as a baby.

You are trying to do right by this society and this is the thanks you get for it. I sometimes want to ask THEM the gate keepers if they "really thought about it before they made the rules." I forget the name of the song that those lyrics are from but those words seem fitting.

I was wondering if the chorus is coming to South Florida? The rainbow really does stop here : )

It also crossed my mind that since you have a female birth certificate that couldn't you then also be able to get married by the state and be entitled to benefits?

AIMEE

neko
05-30-04, 08:20 AM
Jim,

You might want to try contacting these people.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/transnews/359023.html

GLAD Seeks People Denied Sex Change By DMV/RMV

Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders is seeking transgender individuals who have been denied the ability to change the sex designation on their driver's licenses. If you are willing to talk to us about that experience, please email Cristina Parra at cparra@glad.org describing the experience including details about your trans identity (whether/how long you have been on hormones, whether you have had or intend to have any surgeries, how long you have been on medication or in treatment). Please also describe the details relating to the request for changing the designation, the location of the RMV, and the reason for being denied.
At the moment GLAD is primarily interested in talking to people who have not been able to get the sex designation changed, and not those who were initially denied but ultimately able to change the sex designation. Thanks for your willingness to respond and for working with us to change what has become an odious policy.
Jennifer Levi
Senior Staff Attorney
Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders
30 Winter Street
Suite 800
Boston, MA 02108
Tel: 617.426.1350
Fax: 617.426.3594
Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders (GLAD) is New England's leading legal rights organization dedicated to ending discrimination based on sexual orientation, HIV status, and gender identity and expression.
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Shodan
06-15-04, 05:07 AM
(I can make that joke cuz I want to be one!)

I really, REALLY wish that Intersex was a recognised sex, One of the real issues that we are fighting is that we shouldn't be forced to identify as one sex or the other.
"Why can't I just be me?"

I'd change my bc if I could, at least I can change my name, My name should reflect me, not someone elses vision of me!

THOUGHT OF THE DAY:::

I wonder what you'd call a hermaphrodite at a wedding? Husband and Wife just doesn't fit the bill! Lol
- That'll throw a cat amongst the pidgeons!