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Originally Posted by kate.pixiecat
I think you are posting a series of arguments that have not been properly thought through and have no basis in reality.
Ultimately, if you can only see your own situation or point of view, you are not going to be able to come up with a system that works for everybody, and confusing the issue even more is not going to help anyone. Both myself and Miriam have pointed out how the system could be made to work in everyone's favour and yet you are not even considering our points of view.
I don't think that you're going to be having 'xy' put down on your passport or your medical records given that you've had three kids... want to swap??
Just how many people are you prepared to walk over to save your ego? 
If you've been refused an 'M' on your ID then I suggest you try to get that changed rather than coming up with some cock-eyed solution that messes things up further for nearly everyone else. And besides the cost of giving everyone a karyotype before they can have their ID renewed would be prohibitive. |
No one is going to be able to come up with a system that works for everybody.
Not yet, things go through stages. This is a stage, development, progress in the right direction, not a final system.
Secondly take your own words for that. I'm not only thinking from my pov. I posted what I'd think about other people being an average person looking at their ID.
Being selfish and stating in my favor. Not having anything at all down would be the only thing that works for me. Thus I've got my ID scratched out.
Given that I've had three kids I don't care what goes down on my passport as long as it's not a definite M or F. I've explained this already. Quite thoroughly.
I'm sorry if you feel walked over. My ego needs no saving. Save your own.
I have not been refused an M on my ID. I am not trying to get M on my ID. I do not want M on my ID.
I am NOT biologically male, I have had three children. I will never be biologically male, I think putting an M is deceptive and wrong. Putting an F is deceptive and wrong also because I don't have female organs alone. I don't live as a female. But medically my chromesomes would be CORRECT.
So although this may make you slightly upset, from a logical and medical standpoint it would be more efficient to have an HONEST representation of one's biological nature on health ID and passports, DL and everything because most people assume when they see an M they're going to find a penis down there and of course men have different medical issues. So I personally do not want to mislead medical professionals who are dealing with my life in the balance just to have something I might prefer more on my ID card.
Lets talk health insurance. How does a M get paps and hysterectomies paid for?
How does a F get a prostate exam covered.
Logic here.
Lets talk getting arrested.
Who strip searches you and if you're being a jerk who decides who searches you? The cops do. And they're going to decide that based on your ID. Now if they're seeing chomesomes not M or F they have to ask a question of "who would you prefer"
Lets talk Jail.
Well I don't think many women would feel comfortable with me being in a cell with them. I'm not butch in any way at all but I'm obviously male. How would I get the medical care I need in either mens or womens facilities?
You figure that out, I have no solution for that.
Lets talk emergency health care. Lets say I had changed my ID to M which you can do in Ontario if you take testosterone and have surgery with the correct letters.
So they'd just see the M, dope me full of who knows what and kill my unborn child.
Yea real smart.
Stop being on this high horse of being M or F because you want to be seen as that by people and start thinking about the real value of having a Solid Fact on your ID and not something that you prefer.