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Originally Posted by Sara Zeal
Huh, well that's only a solid fact if it's complete, and then why do you want everyone to know?
Say someone is mosaic 5% XX 90% XXY 5% XY, has male genitals, identifies as male, and doesn't want to be seen as anything but male (understandably), then what is wrong there?
Oh and people who already assume M means male genitals *will* assume XY means the same. Unless you have XO, XXY or another variation, they'll ask questions, and not necessarily in a nice way.
I really don't see how could this save you in emergency/prison or police situations.
Maybe women with CAIS wouldn't want to be seen as XY, and men with de la chapelle syndrome wouldn't want to be seen as XX too. It's personal.
If someone wants to tell a friend, or their doctor or anything, they can, but you can't force *everyone* to do so, just because you think it benefits *you*.
I look female, sound female, smell female if you will, but have male genitals - until surgery they won't let me change it to F...but past that they will, if it was chromosomes I'd be stuck with XY, and the same problems, all my life.
If you want to be 'precise' about someone you'd have to include chromosomes, gonads and how many there are or were (if removed), hormone levels average, fertility and I'd go as far as saying BSTc size (when measurable alive) should be pointed out too - and I really wonder what people checking my passport would think of all this junk that's really personal...a M or F is more anonymous, if you need to bring precision for the sake of care, you can do so, but you should not be forced to do so.
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Ok all good points there.
However I think that the best point is that you are right we'd have to put the total percentages, then the gonads and if they were removed and etc etc etc. Never thought into that much detail.
So again, you feel that your chromosomes are personal. I feel that my junk is private.
Obviously you don't want anyone who isn't a medical professional knowing what kind of junk you have in your pants either so then why is M or F on the ID card at all?
Maybe it should be mandatory to have it on file and readily accessible for those who have concerns in the medical field.
I don't see how you aren't concerned with insurance and health care. If I have a hysterectomy this year and change my F to an M I could have chest surgery because I am "male" and under the age of 30. In Ontario if you have fatty breast tissue, and are male under 25 you can have a chest reduction paid for by ohip.
I think that boxing it in to M and F is premature and unreasonable at any rate.
So if you can't fit everyone into A or B when there are so many in betweens then maybe we should not have anything on our IDs at all other than our names, birthdays and ID codes that can be accessed by government officials and medical professionals to give a detailed list like you said, of every cell, gene and drop of blood in a persons body so they can get treatment.
I also think insurance policies are retarded to separate things into M and F. A female can get a pap covered, a male can not. A female can get a hysterectomy covered, a male can not. A male can have a prostate exam, a female can not.
But what if that female happens to have a prostate? Then she has to pay for her exams?
What about people who are going to stay in between forever and do not identify as either?
There are a whole tonne of combinations out there.
I'm not saying I am right. I am saying that just using M or F is wrong and really inaccurate.
You have proven in this discussion that using your chromosomes is also as shallow and wrong.
So I'd say what the solution has to be is making it entirely private and completely detailed. Sound right?