Hi All

The Traditional Values Coalition are making themselves look even more stupid. And as we have had problems with them perhaps this is worth reading, I just came across this Article about the TVC. They are barking mad. Aparrentley they are all saddled up to confront the "transgender agenda" and the most evil maifestation of the opression of family values is a cartoon called "Shrek" aparrentley this is a cartoon set to contaminate the minds of children with the perversions of the Devil. From reading the following I get the impression that the Journalist thinks they are bonkers.

Coalition: 'Shrek' wrecks family values
MIKE ARGENTO
Monday, June 7, 2004


Some people see "Shrek 2" as harmless family entertainment, a film that
kids from 8 to 80 can enjoy.

Others, though, see it as part of an effort that, one day, will lead not
only to gay marriage, but marriage between people of the same sex who
were once the opposite sex, or something like that.

And, if that's not bad enough, Larry King is involved, sort of.

Something called the Traditional Values Coalition has issued a parental
advisory about "Shrek 2," claiming the movie furthers what it calls "the
transgender agenda," an "effort to deconstruct the biological reality of
male and female."

And here you thought it was just a nice, little cartoon.

The coalition's advisory says, "Parents who are thinking about taking
their children to see 'Shrek 2,' may wish to consider the following: The
movie features a male-to-female transgender (in transition) as an evil
bartender. The character has five o'clock shadow, wears a dress and has
female breasts. It is clear that he is a she-male. His voice is that of
talk show host Larry King."

Larry King?

Is the Traditional Values Coalition suggesting that Larry King has
something to do with "the transgender agenda," whatever that is? Does
Larry King promote sex change surgery? Was Larry King once a woman? (If
he had been, you can't blame him for having a sex-change operation. He'd
have been one nasty looking woman.)

The bartender is only the beginning. The warning continues: "During a
dance scene at the end of the movie, this transgendered man expresses
sexual desire for Prince Charming, jumps on him, and both tumble to the
floor."

Prince Charming in the clutches of Larry King?

And then, the warning says, "In another scene in the movie, Shrek and
Donkey need to be rescued from a dungeon where they are chained against
the wall."

An ogre and a donkey chained to a wall? Doesn't U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum,
R-Man-on-Dog, have dreams like that?

The warning continues: "The rescue is conducted by Pinocchio who is
asked to lie so his nose will grow long enough for one of the smaller
cartoon characters to use it as a bridge to reach Shrek and Donkey.
Donkey encourages him to lie about something and suggests he lie about
wearing women's underwear. When he denies wearing women's underwear, his
nose begins to grow."

The conclusion: Pinocchio is a transvestite.

There's even more cross-dressing. The warning says, "An earlier scene in
the movie features a wolf dressed in grandma's clothing and reading a
book when Prince Charming encounters him. Later, one of the characters
refers to the wolf's gender confusion."

A transvestite wolf?

This has to be some kind of joke. I mean, Larry King?

So I called Frank York, the editorial director for the Traditional
Values Coalition, and asked him: "Are you serious?"

"Yes," he said. "Yes, I am."

He said, "What they showed in the film was supposed to be humorous, but
if you look at the transgender agenda ... there are more serious things
going on here."

Like men dressed as women using women's bathrooms, he said.

And other stuff like that.

York discussed the "transgender agenda" at length and I'm still not sure
what he meant. He did say something about two male-to-female transgender
people who tried to get married in Kansas. I must have been out getting
popcorn during that scene.

He also suggested that I do a Web search for "she males." He said,
"You'll see things that'll make your hair curl."

I told him I didn't think my bosses would appreciate me checking out
she-male sites here in the office.

He's deadly serious. He doesn't think there's anything humorous at all
about a bartender with a five o'clock shadow, wearing a dress, with
breasts and the voice of Larry King.

By the way, what's Larry King have to do with it?

"That's just a detail I put in there," he said.

So Larry King doesn't have anything to do with this?

"No, not at all," he said.

I wanted to ask him about the whole interspecies marriage thing, you
know, Shrek being an ogre and the princess being, well, a princess who
became an ogre. (Or maybe she was an ogre and became a princess. I don't
know.)

Anyway, he talked about the whole transsexual agenda and how it wants to
take over the world and stuff like that. He clearly spends a lot of time
thinking about transsexuals, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Meanwhile, I was praying to the telephone gods to strike the phone line
dead.

Finally, he said, "I know you probably think I'm insane."

No, no, no, no.

Probably? Mike Argento, whose column appears Mondays and Thursdays in
Living and Sundays in Viewpoints, can be reached at 771-2046 or at
mike@ydr.com.

quote:

"Anyway, he talked about the whole transsexual agenda and how it wants to take over the world and stuff like that."

One more paranoid schizoidal "peripheral tumor" to add to the present "metastatic"malignant ones represented by our "compassionate conservative" government and nurtured/perpetuated by the "primary cancerous mass" of the homo/trans/intersex-phobic, socio-religious fundamentalists.

Hi Dana

I checked them up on a search engine and they are trying to campaign for a "Hate Groups Sensitivity" clause in the law or something. It sort of reads like:

"We Hate anything that is not lebensborn male or female and if they moan, go "outch" or even scream when we are murdering, torturing or maming them, they should be locked up for being intolerant of hate groups"

Barking mad, absolutely barking mad!

They are not people who can be reasoned with.

Hugs

Sophie.

Although my life is fairly secure; and I realize that such dogma can exist worldwide, it still evokes memories and regrets of having been dragged by my "returning" mother and step-father (Amer. soldier) to this country from Germany. Even after returning to Germany after high school, I was once again forced to come back to the US from being drafted into US Army :( .

It is a bit frightening and despairing for me to realize that I am, in reality, a person who is condemned by many Americans (especially the powerful and "wise") as something not deserving of the rights, privileges, and social freedoms that others (deemed "accepted" by God) have had since birth. Believe me, if I could afford it and the resources in Germany (or another more humane European country) were available (employment, housing etc.)....I would leave in a heartbeat....they can have their "perfect" world, free of "abominations of God" like me. But, alas, that at this present time is only a fantasy.

Hi Dana :)

You are not alone in how you feel I can assure you :)
I think you may find that these TVC people are an insult to
those who hold genuine religious convictions too.

I know also what it feels like to be hated by the "powerful and wise" If they persist in this belief that "non perfect" people are to be ostracised and eliminated people wont tolerate it.

The positive thing about the Article I posted, is that Mike, the journalist thinks they are just over the top. So you are not the only person who regards the TVC as yet another cancerous growth.

And if they were to read thier bible properly they are the ones on a fast track to hell, You know the wide road leads to disaster the narrow to salvation etc. Hate is an easy emotion.

In Britain we have our fair share of psychotics who are deluded into thinking that life is only perfect if the less perfect were silenced or eliminated.

But people are on the whole wise to them.

Thanks, Sophie,

I realize that there are many, many people other than you and I who have to live "under their thumb", so to speak. Additionally, there are many good people who are getting tired of such irrational dogma and resultant machinations. It's just that one gets awfully tired in one's later years (after struggling thus far in life) to want to enjoy life as others do.....and no matter that some progress has been made, and that this the 21st century; the "Neantertals" continue their aggressive dehumanizing. Sometimes it seems like a sand pit, with you at the bottom, struggling to get out.....the more you scrabble, the more sand comes tumbling down to retard progress out of the hole. An ironic aspect to Newton's concept of the more resistance occurs when forward movement is accelerated.

Anyway, thanks again.......take care

Dana

Hi all. Yes, I had the misfortune a few days ago of stumbling onto TVC's website and I was outraged at two of their articles linking intersexed people with the transgender agenda and intimating that we were somehow sexual deviants out to destroy the sanctity of marriage. (It seems to me the heterosexual "normals" are doing a decent job of that on their own.) I fired off two angry, pointed emails to them delineating the difference between TGs and the Intersexed. I haven't received a response and don't expect to.

This is a dangerous, radical group with no regard for the truth. I'm a moderate-to-conservative Christian IS woman and I consider them offensive. They certainly don't speak for me and I let them know it.

Sarah

They (TVC and like-minded groups and individuals) are the real sexual deviants.

Hi Dana,

I don't think that the TVC attack on the transgender adgenda is really about us, in the sense that who we are to them only exists in their sick imagination. And from other posts, it's easy to see the incredible lengths to which the TVC will go to "find" deviance in the Teletubbies and Shrek 2. If intersex or transgender people did not exist, the TVC would probably invent something like us to justify their own sense of identity. Transgender cartoon characters? When people form a sense of identity in an atmosphere of fear, bigotry often results. We are something like a four leaf clover. That most clovers have three leaves does not mean that four leaf clovers should be considered deviant. We are just different. A problem with the language of inequality is that it often defines the terms of the debate. So, I don't particularly like terms such as "deviant". That's my two cents.

The British have some great terms. I really like Sophie's phrase "barking mad".

Peter