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Originally Posted by RW

Hmmm... Apple... You are saying things in a very hard way aren't you? I think what Sunshine1 was talking about in the original post was that it is possible to be going along, feeling happily human and ordinary, only to have people unintentionally do something to knock you sideways. That's a good point to be making.

Yes I am "saying things in a very hard way", and that is because this place has been transformed from a forum for intersex people into a gender and sex role obsessives pity party.

Originally Posted by RW

I know many people who have that experience - for instance, someone who had started, with love and care, to overcome an obsession about her body shape, traveling through an ordinary day, but knocked back into total misery by a child saying "you're a big fat pig!" (just because he'd noticed that it got reactions from people, not as a considered opinion). The thing is if someone feels exclusion/excluded it isn't possible to make this go away by telling them to get over it.

An adult being "knocked sideways" by a rude comment from a child. Well that is pretty damned sad isn't it? One would hope that an adult, would actually be an adult, and as an adult one could not so easily be "knocked sideways".

There will always be things about our bodies, intersexed or not, i.e. our weight or complexion, whatever, that we may wish to be "better" or different, and therefor we as anything more, than say an exceedingly "helpless" child, let alone an adult, will then know that is upon we ourselves to either change what we can or accept what we cannot. It is simply pathological to endlessly bemoan unavoidable facts of life, and for you RW, or anyone else, to reinforce such pathology with false kindness and inappropriate pity is simply wrong.

Originally Posted by RW

...just commenting on how society works. Surely that's an important point to be making. It certainly seems to apply to lots of different people (well beyond any issues around gender).

The sex role and gender obsessives pity party is not that however. Such people have been stuck in the same psychological rut for endless years upon years. I suspect that this is to the delight of the business men and women, "therapists" and such, who rather than helping them to grow up and get over it, instead feed upon this vicious cycle by fueling it with false compassion and misplaced pity, and so this cycle being perpetuated continues to fuel their business.

The sex and reproductive, medical and psychotherapeutic racket, is clearly about making money first and foremost. If that means that the fear and anxiety of new parents of intersex children can be exploited, to garner surgical and psych consultation fees, then obviously such then will be so exploited to the hurt of all, most especially the intersexed infant or child so unfortunately involved. It is patently obvious, that the "guardians of the public's health", of all kinds, have some sort of perverse agenda which includes the infantilisation and pacification of the people they claim to want to help. This has been going on for a very long time, and the net result is that we now have a nation of adult children, unable to so much as even think for, let alone stand up for, themselves as responsible adults.