SF Support Groups?

[Peter]

Hi WWW,

Welcome to Bodies Like Ours. While I do not know of support group activities in the SF Bay Area, there are some things happening around general intersex issues that you might be interested in. Send me a PM, and I can let you know more about upcoming events.

Peter

[fraulein_Maria]

[quote=Meadow;12374]An AIS support group for WOMEN ONLY?????

But then to NOW learn that ANY support group, persons who should know ALL ABOUT DISCRIMINATION, should be discriminatory themselves, only leaves my head spinning in disbelief!!)

>>> i'm sorry that your angry Meadow, but perhaps of you thought about it from a 13 year old girl's point of view (the main denizens of AIS support groups) you might grasp it.....

"Mommy! Mommy!

what's a 50 year old man doing in my locker room?

Mommy, can you please make him leave?

i'm trying to talk to my girlfriends, and he keeps popping in, trying to tell us he's just like me!

Mommy, he scares me please make him go away "

Would you really want your teen-age daughter, whose already been through so much, to have to cope with this?

My heart breaks for these KIDS...for Godde's sake Meadow, there just KIDS!

Let them retain a little innocence, please?

They've been robbed of sooo much, and you would want them robbed of more?

[prince....ss?]

Fraulin Maria,

Bull shit!!! These support groups are a contact point and an organization. A place of focus so that people that need support can find it.

I don’t have a problem if you want to have a meeting with just young girls with AIS but to say to someone sorry you identify as a man so go fuck yourself is wrong. AISSG should have a place for the men that have AIS, a common but separate place.

BLO can support many intersex conditions, why can’t they support one of their own!!!

[miriam]

@ fraulein_Maria: Actually, the girls are not 13 yo. The girls on the front page of the Dutch AISSG website are between 15 and 20 years old:

Having XY-chromosomes is probably the least of their problems. BTW, all the girls in the pic have XY-chromosomes. But that doesn't mean they have AIS.

@ prince....ss?: first, there is not a single "AISSG". There are several support groups that offer support to people with AIS and similar conditions and each group has its own policy regarding to men with PAIS. Second, where did you read or hear that any AISSG says that men with PAIS or MAIS have to 'fuck themselves'? I know that there have been several attempts to facilitate support groups and special meetings for men with PAIS / MAIS or any other similar condition. But you can't expect the women who do all the work in the AIS groups to do that for the men. They have to do it themselves and if they don't do it, they probably don't need the same kind support as the women.

If you were talking/writing like you are doing in this thread I, think that the reason you were turned down by a AIS support group has nothing to do with your condition. I try to help anyone -male, female or anything in between - who is looking for support. But when people start to shout and yell, I probably will ask them to fuck themselves instead of fucking ME off.


Groeten, Miriam

[Priestess]

Miriam, how do you know that Princess was loudly demanding entrance to an AIS support group? If you'd ever seen her, you would know that she herself is not a man. She looked more female than Cheryl Chase.

I know that I quietly and politely contacted them simply asking questions about one of the associated conditions their web page implies support for, and was still pushed away. I understand the AIS'ers not understanding non-insensitive folks who might happen to have a uterus and sometimes ovaries yet still set off a y-detector. But if it's AIS only, why not say it? And why support certain selected people who clearly are not AIS?

[Dana Gold]

I think it is a shame that there are no AIS groups for men with PAIS.

For Mr. WWW:

Not quite true, although you may have to ask these folks about USA "connections"...at least you won't feel so "alone" as a PAIS man....there are others in the "same boat", so to speak:

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aissg/AIS_Men.htm

Good luck, don't give up....and don't let the bickering here discourage you .....

DG

[miriam]

Originally Posted by Dana Gold

For Mr. WWW:

Not quite true, although you may have to ask these folks about USA "connections"...at least you won't feel so "alone" as a PAIS man....there are others in the "same boat", so to speak:

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~aissg/AIS_Men.htm

Good luck, don't give up....and don't let the bickering here discourage you .....

DG

That's true Dana, but Australia isn't exactly in the SF area... AISPeople and especially Tony was/is closely related to the AISSGA. I still think that AISPeople is the right group if WWW wants to get in touch with other guys in the US.

Groeten, Miriam

PS good to hear from you again!

[Dana Gold]

You're probably right, Miriam.....my response was just another manifestation of my "Florence Nightingale" syndrome....having been a nurse in the "distant past" , I just wanted to help....sometimes I make an ass out of myself in the process.......:>/

DG

[miriam]

Originally Posted by Dana Gold

You're probably right, Miriam.....my response was just another manifestation of my "Florence Nightingale" syndrome....having been a nurse in the "distant past" , I just wanted to help....sometimes I make an ass out of myself in the process.......:>/

DG

If that's necessary to make you post again... hihi...

Groeten, Miriam