invasion of the intersexed?

[Priestess]

Jim,
I was kicked as a patient by two separate transsexual's therapists for not having gender dysphoria as they recognized it. And I can't imagine that those two were unique. So I think that basically the transsexual establishment really doesn't want the intersexed. They can't handle clients who aren't primarily motivated by clothes and repressed feminine feelings. It's so wrong for the doctors to ignore us and tell us to go do a trans-thing that we aren't welcome to either.

(plus most trans people have a lot of envy and hatred for the intersexed)

[Dana Gold]

Well, as I said earlier, I have little confidence in either (intersex or DSD) established regimens due to the very thing both you and Priestess have pointed out......the issue of accepted gender protocol. As for what you've said about trans people, Melissa, well....the same can be said of many intersex people that feel negatively about trans....and you have been one of the ones who have "lashed out" at both intersex (here at BLO) and trans (in your posts)....as have done some who regard themselves in the DSD camp. Something about being trans (and not envious and hateful of intersex) seems to bring upon one the situation of being universally disliked...but, as I have to say, some trans have brought on the shit by their own "idiosyncrasies". When I first came on board here at BLO; I found out that some trans people who were already diagnosed with a intersex/DSD found themselves not very liked by either the trans or intersex "communities". This is worse than a slap in the face; after being shat upon by the "normals", to be pissed upon by both of the former. So be it, and I now do not consider myself to be a "member" of the trans, intersex/DSD, and especially the GLB "communities". I am my own person, however I can empathize, to a certain and limited degree, with those who are gay, trans, intersex, and DSD....since I have many of the same "enemies" and experiences, including medical issues related to the hypergonadotropic hypogonadism of "unknown etiology", which ironically, I had to point out to both my PCP and endo, the ramifications of certain health issues brought on by such....because, as you said, the prevailing concern was the "gender identity disorder". It is for that reason that I sometimes do not feel kinship with the majority of humankind and many times rather than wishing I had not been born; I wish I had not been born on this wretched planet. All I've wanted for most of my life is to be left the f**k alone and live my life as I was and am without having to conform (which I did anyway) in order to be accepted and liked ...and without all of the hysteria/paranoia, and socio-religious concern over my perceived "homo/trans-sexuality" by the normals and then the scenario of having my self spoken for and judged by some of the LGBT (not all gays like the "trannies") and scrutinized by some intersex/DSD folks....although, generally, I must say, that my experience here at BLO has mostly been positive...and I am thankful that I came here. It is, as I've indicated earlier , human nature that brings on the strife and accompanying negativities toward others and oneself.

PS: I'm only trying to be fair and conscious of each individual's needs and desires when it comes to the DSD vs intersex issue.......the reality is some will always feel better about one or the other....and I, for one, will not counter or argue against that reality....the freedom of independent choice by that individual.

Dana

[Priestess]

Hi Dana,

I never would have lashed out against the intersexed until nearly everyone turned their back on me and gave me their silence, all because I didn't have an officially sanctioned syndrome to label myself with. Anyone who wanted to could have looked at loads of abnormal medical reports, and they shunned me for lack of a word. Words aren't realities, they're only a form of communication. I've actually had conversations with one person until they asked if I'd gotten an official diagnosis yet, and then they literally stopped talking to me. With all the medical evidence I've collected, my lack of a diagnosis wasn't from lack of a condition to find, it's been due to highly prejudiced doctors who don't want to analyze.

I'm still a human being with feelings, and I'm sure these same intersexed folks manage to be sociable even with "normal" people, so even if someone didn't believe I had anything wrong, how did I get to be the untouchable?

Likewise, I've known for a while that the AIS commuity is paranoid, and it hasn't been a problem for me, I always figured it was their right. Afterall, they wouldn't want someone like me hanging around. But then in the last year or so, I've heard tales of real documented CAIS women being ostracized for reasons that seem trite and shallow, and I just have to shake my head.

The transsexuals? They've treated me at least as badly. Because they want everyone to be their way, and have no tolerance or respect for human variation that violates their ideology of "emotional gender first", or their mantra of "repressed inner femininity". Some say they do, but it's all words, when it comes down to things they really don't. They don't understand the experiences of someone who was physically/socially prevented from living the normal lives they are forsaking. I was openly laughed at and insulted, in public, by those people. And slandered behind my back. All by a bunch of people who without exception were entangled with spouses and children, and who tended to not have enough guts to reach out and take the lives they said they wanted.

DSD? It sounds a little creepy to me, now. But like a twisted version of that old song by the Who, "meet the new word, same as the old word ..." I think the people who are most enthusiatic about the changeover are fooling themselves, but that's just my temporary opinion. I've had a problem with one of the DSD proponents here, but that dispute is only personal.

[Dana Gold]

Life is tough on Planet Earth.

[Priestess]

Originally Posted by Dana Gold

Life is tough on Planet Earth.

Maybe, yes, I suppose so. Or maybe some people should come down off their thrones. There aren't any one way streets if you're a pedestrian.