When do you tell?

[Peter]

Originally Posted by jon12345

Apple Said:
[i]IMy friend is not transgender, In that comment I am taking the phrase transgender to mean a change from one gender to the other. She never changed from one gender to the other, she was never one gender or the other to change from as I understand it. From the way she described herself to me she was pretty much sitting right on the equator of gender. The surgery she had was bottom, and more of an adjustment of gender, not a gender change.

Oh My! It turns out that Jon is quite the gender theorist. Here, I thought Jon was a distressed boyfriend who had found out that his girlfriend, named Chris, used to be a guy called Christopher, and that Christopher had been raised as a man. How, I hear that Chris is "pretty much sitting right on the equator of gender". These comments shine new light on Jon's original comments.

As Apple said, Jon's original post was a good piece of "creative writing" in the bad sense of the term. It was all too neat to be believable. For instance, I never believed the whole Chris/Christopher line in the first place. Most intersex people have names like, Betsy, Peter, David etc.

Also, the description of Jon's girlfriend's intersex condition was highly unbelievable. Jon mentioned that his girlfriend has a severe intersex condition, where there was both the presence of a vagina and penis, but neither male nor female reproductive organs. I am not saying that such a condition never existed, but it sounds more like a transgender wet dream than reality to me. To put it bluntly, if a child presented the symptoms that Jon describes, I believe that the child would have been surgically assigned female at birth, and that the "bottom surgery" that Jon describes, would have happened about forty years before the time Jon says it happened.

I admit that I cannot find out too much about Jon's girlfriend third hand. If she wants to join this forum, she is more than welcome. Personally, I believe that Jon is trying on an intersex narrative the way some people try on cloths to see if they fit.

Peter

[jon12345]

Originally Posted by Peter

Oh My! It turns out that Jon is quite the gender theorist. Here, I thought Jon was a distressed boyfriend who had found out that his girlfriend, named Chris, used to be a guy called Christopher, and that Christopher had been raised as a man. How, I hear that Chris is "pretty much sitting right on the equator of gender". These comments shine new light on Jon's original comments.

As Apple said, Jon's original post was a good piece of "creative writing" in the bad sense of the term. It was all too neat to be believable. For instance, I never believed the whole Chris/Christopher line in the first place. Most intersex people have names like, Betsy, Peter, David etc.

Also, the description of Jon's girlfriend's intersex condition was highly unbelievable. Jon mentioned that his girlfriend has a severe intersex condition, where there was both the presence of a vagina and penis, but neither male nor female reproductive organs. I am not saying that such a condition never existed, but it sounds more like a transgender wet dream than reality to me. To put it bluntly, if a child presented the symptoms that Jon describes, I believe that the child would have been surgically assigned female at birth, and that the "bottom surgery" that Jon describes, would have happened about forty years before the time Jon says it happened.

I admit that I cannot find out too much about Jon's girlfriend third hand. If she wants to join this forum, she is more than welcome. Personally, I believe that Jon is trying on an intersex narrative the way some people try on cloths to see if they fit.

Peter

I am just telling you what I was told, which more specifically BTW was that the surgeon told her that there were no overis found.
But hey whatever. I am outta here, touch much intolerance, bitterness and paranoia.

[apple]

Peter

Thank you. =)

[apple]

better for me to stay out of it