Jack and Jill Intersexed clip Youtube

[miriam]

@prince....ss?: good for you that you can read people so well. But it seems you have more of a problem with reading my post. You read words that I didn't write and even did not intend to write. That makes a meaningful discussion quite difficult.

Groeten, Miriam

PS. I like bitches but I've met better bitches that you are - keep practicing!

[peaceandparty]

hey miriam!

thats a bit nasty
"i´ve met better bitches than you are"

"keep trying"

ich denke DU kannst deutsch verstanden!dunglish or dutch i am no good at...but all you dutch and germans are great at speaking other languages correctly

bitte!please.........you come off very hot -headed
as you say i dont know you...so what are your lighter sides of life!

this is a discussion about the half-jack video and our thoughts on it


i didnt read anything extremely bad that the other wrote to you



and as i get to know your gentler side,i also remember u saying in another post that just because you "look like a woman" but have ais or whatever(sorry keep forgetting)...that people dont recognise that you are an extra special woman-----well!its the same with me

i basically look like a normal guy
but inside and outside i am another type of male...if i am to be considered male!

how do you feel about yourself miriam!?

guten abend!
good evening

peace be with you

thanks for the links

[peaceandparty]

actually the more i read this topic the more i start to see the real issues....

PLEASE IGNORE MY ABOVE POST

I DONT TAKE AWAY POSTS THAT I HAVE WRITTEN....ITS LIKE A DIARY THEN!

so we all need to maybe think about this a little more
but thank you all for the interesting conversation...but if only we could take it down a peg or two
ok!

peace ....and dont forget to party

[prince....ss?]

Miriam,

I do read your posts quite clearly and I understand what you are saying. I also am able to see thing in writing. The style, word usage and content are key to the full understanding of someone’s personality. When I see your picture and read what you post I know you have the same personality type as my sister. The two of you would get along great!!!

I am able to speak clearer than I am able to write so I think you are unable to understand what I write. I think the same way peaceandparty writes so I tend to go back and fill in the blanks. (peaceandparty, I enjoy your posts, your fun to read)

I do know that we are different from one another you have the right to your opinion as I have the right to disagree. A meaningful discussion would be quite easy but first you need to get off your defensive posture and read what I’m saying not just the words but the meaning.

As an example in the first paragraph I stated;

“When I see your picture and read what you post I know you have the same personality type as my sister. The two of you would get along great!!!”

Perhaps you and others that read this statement would take it as a complement, nice positive statement. But on the other hand if you said this to me I would instantly understand it to be a negative and know you do not like me or your sister.

So perhaps you don’t see the message you convey ( not in the words but the way you use them) or you think other people aren’t smart enough to catch all the flying insults covered and hidden in the intellect and honey.

An example from you just now, “@prince….ss?” if that was a gun I would be dead. I won’t continue with the rest of your negative post.

If you are unable to understand this post PM me your phone number I will call you on my dime and explain it to you. Or give me your address and I’ll come visit and we can discuss it over coffee and cake. I recommend that you don’t underestimate my intelligence or doubt my abilities to hold meaningful discussions. If you can’t keep up with the topic or content I’ll slowdown for you. No worries!!!

Prince....ss?

[Kailana]

Miriam i respect your views greatly and love to read your posts. You are a very intelligent woman. With a very compassionate soul. That is what i like so much about you. But, the thing about this vidoe clip is about early gender reassignment/construction to force a gender with the use of surgery. You as a CAIS, Like most CAIS, arent usually subject too that attrocity as an infant. You are furtunate enough to look like, develope as woman. For many of us, we are not so fortunate. Your biggest complaint that you mentioned is being Infertile, Not to belittle you any, but many of us are infertile. Some of us are infertile as a direct result of surgeries forced on us. That is part of that video clip.

I really hate to see the ugly words that are being thrown around. We all have a point to get across. By posting this link the Half Jack, i wanted to see if others like me appreciated its value. I wanted to see a good dialogue going.

I dont want to upset people, it appears its happened though. But i really think that Half Jack, is a awesome way for people who have never scene or heard how i feel most of the time about genital reassignment surgeries on us.
Or the impact those surgeries have had on my life. I basically love that clip.

for peace and prin..cess, thank you too for responding, its appreciated as well

[peaceandparty]

we are doing our best here to go through all the emotions that any hard hitting film or video would do to many of us

its plain to see that the half jack video(which is one of my listed favourites on youtube)
has affected you ,miriam,mostly
and in a way thats good,because when any human being reacts-it sometimes is a good thing....it means we at least feel

so feel any way you want
and know that i am very interested in what you have to say

and
i am new here and i dont want to rock the boat
but essentially i dont belong on any ones boat
i swim alone

so miriam,i would love to hear your thoughts on whats happening now in your thoughts

[miriam]

It's obvious that some people think that coping with AIS is easier than coping with other conditions:

Originally Posted by Kailana

With CAIS, you basically have a child that looks like a girl. If there arent any other noticable problems a girl you will be. Perhaps CAIS is a little easier for some to accept a xy individual as a girl, compared to some of the other conditions due to the fact that you develope as woman. For many of us though, we arent so fortunate.

Originally Posted by prince....ss?

Is infertility your biggest gripe? Cool I wish I were so lucky. At least with knowledge of your condition you eventually were allowed to make educated decisions about your health. I was not allowed that luxury.

I would like to ask those people who think that I've said that infertility is the biggest problem with AIS to re-read my posts again. And please pay some extra attention to the words I've emphasized in bold & blue:

Sometimes it may look like it is better to be born with AIS. A girly-female body, tall, good looking, no body odor, no acne, no pubic hair, never have to shave your legs or your armpits, never menstruation problems. Hey, it's great to be born with AIS - the only caveat is that women with AIS are infertile.

But that just the theory. Even in reality I seem to be very successful. I've been a model, I'm smart, I have a wonderful partner, I'm the mother of two girls, I have great friends, I'm a successful business woman, I'm rather rich, I live in a single-detached home, I know how to drive a stick shift, I travel a lot, I have great friends. The only problem is that I happen to have AIS. I don't want to whine about it. But AIS sucks.

When you write "my family and doctors LIED to me for 43 years never telling me the truth about my condition" I hear what you are saying. Secrecy and shame were the main ingredients of the treatment for AIS.

The text "the only caveat is that women with AIS are infertile." is part of the paragraph that describes how it may look to people who don't have AIS. It is not how I feel about being born with AIS.

My problem with AIS is that my family and doctors lied to me. The lied to me just like they did to Prince....ss and to so many other people with an intersex condition.

There also seems to be misunderstanding about the reason why I don't like the half jack, half jill video:

Originally Posted by Kailana

But, the thing about this vidoe clip is about early gender reassignment/construction to force a gender with the use of surgery. You as a CAIS, Like most CAIS, arent usually subject too that attrocity as an infant. You are furtunate enough to look like, develope as woman. For many of us, we are not so fortunate. Your biggest complaint that you mentioned is being Infertile, Not to belittle you any, but many of us are infertile. Some of us are infertile as a direct result of surgeries forced on us. That is part of that video clip.

Originally Posted by prince....ss?

Perhaps Miriam you would feel differently about the video if you had more to link you to the video then just using the word intersex. I can see by your statement that you have NO compassion for freaks like me. People that were not born a girl or a boy but something different.

I know that it is great to see a video that gives a voice to your own feelings. I know how it feels when you see a video that makes you say "Hey, that's about me!" But this doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to have an opinion about a video clip like Half Jack, Half Jill if I don't recognize myself in the story line of the video.

Let me make this very clear: except for the part where the maker of the video says that intersex equals ambiguous genitalia, I don't have a problem with the message in the video. It's the way the message is presented. As I said before, this video will not stop parents from asking for surgery. But it will most definitely help them to ask for prenatal testing and abortion.


Groeten, Miriam

[peaceandparty]

i think the video gives off the impression of how hard it is on people who were originally innocent children to be when they are some part of the intersexed community

and i personally was never trying to give you the impression that your condition was not hard for you

i can totally get you on your point of people thinking that you are just a woman
and that if you looked like you were a handicap physically or mentally more,then people would start to realise that your thoughts go very deep indeed

i have the same issues
no-one really thinks that there is any thing more to me apart from me being an unusual guy
i often wonder ,do i need to wait till i am in a wheelchair till people start to understand that with osteoporosis problems that i do have at 30-that i am an un-normal type of male or 30 year old
if i was in a wheelchair,might they take a bit more care for who i really am
instead of just presuming that they can treat me the same as everyone

i think intersexers need special attention
and the time is now---many people have waited their whole lives and unsuccessfully got through to the world s population

if you made a video on the last day of earth
and they sent the video to another galaxy...
hypothetically----what would you say in the video and what would you show?
and how would you explain human diversity?

[apple]

Hi Miriam,


I find there is much to like and admire about you, and I value your voice very much. No way do I take lightly, or in any way minimize in my own mind, the distress and pain inherent in being born with AIS. I get the distinct impression that you feel many of us do however.

There is a subtle, when not overt, defensiveness regarding this in your presence here Miriam. It is a defensiveness which appears to spring from an assumption on your part, that we all make unconscious "of course" comparisons between AIS women and ourselves, which automatically relegate AIS women to some sort of "lucky and less affected" status. I know that I do not have such an opinion. I do not compare myself to AIS women and feel envy, and neither do I feel that AIS women and men have it easier. I wonder if perhaps you yourself are making such an unconscious comparison Miriam, and so you feel that you must defend yourself, from those very feelings, by defending against us unnecessarily.

Really I think that AIS people may be in an even a more difficult position. For all the subtle expectations, insidiously painted upon a backdrop of the same lousy presumptions of misplaced pity, as are also unfairly placed upon us. The same wrongly issued by the emotionally blind, who determine the norm arbitrarily to the hurt of most people, who of consequence remain outside of it for the arbitrary and unrealistic narrow definition of it.

You are human Miriam, gloriously and beautifully so, and you have nothing either to defend or to defend against. You matter, your presence is essential, your contribution salient and softly helpful to make the larger picture clear, both to all of us together, and also to those outside who think they are somehow "normal" or "ideal".

Peace to you dear Miriam.