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  #1  
03-19-03, 04:21 AM
Betsy
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The state of our world---totally off topic

This is not a Bodies message. It is a message from a very sad human being who needs to get something off her chest.

I am so sad this evening; tears are streaming down my face.

How is it that our country has come to the point of being the agressor? How is it that a president who wasn't even elected by the majority of Americans can get away with invading a country that can't in their wildest dreams harm us?

So many innocent, young people will die in this unjust war--sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, partners, husbands, wives. Cousins, uncles, aunts...thousands will likely die in this misguided attempt at world domination.

It is unjust for us to be there to revenge the failure of our non-elected moron's father. Our economy is in the toilet, yet we are spending billions to fight a ghost. What happened to the search for Osama? It's wag the dog time.

Our non-elected leaders have oil on the brain and yet they say our national security is at risk. Please, Bush and playmates, spare me from your lies; they are too transparent for my intellect.

There was a great article in one of the Atlanta weeklies published today at http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/cover.html Read it, and you will see some of the lies our appointed leadership has put forth. Most of our media has been in-step with our appointed govt because they don't want to threaten their "embedded" place on the front line. Trust me here...we are not reading and hearing the truth about Saddam. I speak from first-hand knowledge and I know that the media that tells the truth now will lose their coverage privilages. You can't make money if you're not there showing God, Glory, and Ammo. Don't count on seeing our dead loved ones on live TV. It won't happen; the media and the miliary is so deep in bed that the truth will evade us. Maybe when the innocent 18 and 19 year olds who got sent there come home in body bags the "play nice" attitude of the american media will change. I hope they are designing the war memorial now because it will be needed soon; I hope they include the innocent. It's money, and the sons and daughters of those leading to war are not included.

The USA has recently been buying oil from Saddam. We put the man in power. Heck, we put Osama in power, and look what our pragmatism got us there.

Our gay and lesbian service members are still forced to remain in the closet. Frankly, if I was in the military, I would be putting "queer" on everything I owned to avoid killing innocent human beings under pressure. America is not a nation built upon kill or be killed. It is a nation built upon peace and non-aggression.

Who has threatened to use weapons of mass-destruction here? We have! We have a big ol' bomb---the biggest non-nuclear bomb known is owned by the US and they couldn't wait to show it off so they sent press releases and video. Our appointed leadership has threatened nuclear war to erase the failures of their daddy.

Nuclear war? Get ready to kiss your ass goodbye if that happens. All the duct tape and plastic in the world won't save us if Georgie has a vision that our nuclar power will save the world. We are no longer the center of our universe and it is time that we admit that failure of our appointed leadership to recognize that.

Our civil rights have gone away with the wind. Do a search on the patriot act. Check out the media that isn't tied to big business. The truth is out there, but you may have to dig for it.

Merely posting this may lead to the John Ashcroft's minions showing up at my door. It's come to that and it is sad. I feel so strongly and so sad that I'm willing to deal with it.

I can't speak for what the feeling is in Peoria, but working in NYC a couple of days a week, I can share the fears and outrage I am seeing there. Tonight entering the Lincoln Tunnel, there wasn't a police officer in sight! I am grateful upon exiting the tunnel each time I leave it. People are scared, and they are reacting.

They are leaving the cities. Tonight, I was shocked at how much traffic there was exiting the city when I left. It definitely wasn't a normal Tuesday night commute. The CIA has said that terrorist attacks on our soil are almost certain if we carry-out this unjust invasion. Why must more innocent people die to line the pockets of our apponted leadership? Why am I under threat because I am in a building two days a week that has specific threats made against it? It's nonsensical!

Many of my co-workers who know I live far away from the city approached me this evening asking if the can come and camp in my meadow. These are journalists! It was bizarre. People are scared. They are scared of the lone martyrs that will blow themselves up in the subway and drop bombs in trash cans because of the actions of our appointed leadership. I almost expect that when I get back from our upcoming road show there will be an encampment in said meadow. I can't say no because I am a human being who respects our right to live free of unjust leadership.

The theme I am hearing here is that Bush has to go; I agree.

He needs to be impeached for his illegal actions threatening the residents of this country and the horrors that will be brought upon the innocent residents of the middle east, here, and our interests abroad. Congressional approval is necessary for the declaration of war, yet the appointed idiot hasn't botherered with such annoyances while he gets out his lasso.

Get involved with your local peace movement if you can. If you can't protest in person, make your voice heard at http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

These people are dangerous, and they are dangerous to us. They are the ones who will cause us grief and heartache. It's time folks, to make a stand and get rid of the idiots.

Thanks for listening.

The poem below was written by a 12 year old I know. I think it gives wonderful insight into what Bush's follies of how his actions are affecting our world:
I Hope There’s A World
By Kristine
February 27, 2003
12:01am

I hope there’s a world left to live in
when I grow up
I hope there’s a place to be
when I am grown
I pray we do not destroy each other
with hate
I wish we wouldn’t kill each other
with wars
I hope there’s a world left to live in
when I grow up

People torture
hate
oppress
kill
for power?
for religion?
for respect?
I hope there’s a world left to live in
when I grow up

Too many people
who are too strong
to have mercy
too stubborn
to admit fault
too proud
to admit defeat
I hope there’s a world left to live in
when I grow up

I wish I could show people how to see
past hate
farther than wars reach
I wish I could show how much pain
hate brings
but those who need to see it the most
can’t
I hope there’s a world left to live in
when I grow up

So I wonder
how many tears must be cried
or do they have to create a river
how many people have to die
or do we all
before they realize
it’s all for nothing
I hope there’s a world left to live in
when I grow up

But if the world stays the same
when I grow up
there’s no chance we’ll ever change
the hate
the wars
the oppression
will not die with our elders
but will be taught to us
and it is these lessons we must ignore
I hope there’s a world left to live in
when I grow up
And I hope that it has changed
--Kristine

May be peace with us.

Betsy
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  #2  
03-19-03, 11:53 AM
Glenn
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Location: near Philadelphia
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Unhappy very scary

I recall as a child wondering what it was like to live during the parts of history you read about in history books.

I don't like it at all.

I don't know how to tell my 17-year-old stepson whether the draft will be reinstated, because I just don't know.

We just bought a bunch of Japanese Maple saplings at the Philly flower show, and I wonder if we'll see them grow up.

I try to reassure my stepkids that, even in the worst circumstances, most people survive. Poland lost a third of its population in WWII - but that means two thirds still made it. It doesn't feel very consoling, though.

I try to reassure my family that Philadelphia is pretty low on most lists of military or symbolic targets. Doesn't help much, especially since we're downwind from most of the country.

Glenn, looking for a big rock to hide under
  #3  
09-13-03, 04:31 AM
Natasha (again)
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I view with great alarm what our government is doing in the Persian Gulf. I too am very saddened. Yet I am anything but surprised. I have been warning people that this was going to happen, ever since Ronald Wilson Reagan became President in 1980. I know for a fact that I am on their little list.

I am saddened that so many people think that The New World Order is somehow Christian, or has anything to do with real Christianity. Far from it, in fact the reverse is true.

Yes, the New World Order as George Bush Sr. termed it, is beginning to gain control of the world economy. They are right on schedule, exactly as predicted. I have been passing on the message about that for years. Just enter natasha_thompson into the Google search engine. Do a search in Google Groups and the web, and sort by date. Lots of other whacky stuff as well, but I continue to be a work in progress.

It has now become obvious that the Iraq 'wars' were not about weapons of mass destruction. As many of us knew all along. It was about OIL. And so will further military action in the Persian Gulf be, as they continue their conquest of the entire Persian Gulf.

Saudi Arabia is now being painted as an enemy which backed 911. Iran has long been on their list. Syria is also being cast in a different light than in times past, as something sinister. Soon big oil government will attack both nations, and thereby gain control of their oil. Of course this will involve Iran and Turkey, and more also.

Whoever controls the world economy, will of course have unlimited political power. In controlling Oil completely, as they will eventually. They will control the entire world, and so everyone who lives in it.


Because OIL is the foundation of the world economy,
and BIG OIL is our government. We live in interesting
times.

What does any of this have to do with Christianity
really? Only this.

The book of Revelation chapter 13 tells of the Antichrist, and the Second Beast who comes 'immediately' after him. Two men who spearhead and lead a world government. Which will have control of all buying and selling world wide. The book of Daniel in the old testament explains. That they will gain control of the world economy. By attacking and defeating the oil rich nations of the Persian Gulf, beginning with Iraq.

Revelation chapter 13 identifies these two men, whom it refers to as the Two Beasts. The Antichrist and the Second Beast.

Revelation states the Antichrist is a human man, with a great speaking ability. Who is such a persuasive orator you could call him the Great Communicator. It says also that the Antichrist is wounded mortally while in the world spotlight, and the world is astonished that he survives.

Revelation then says that he would be followed immediately by the Second Beast. The next guy in office who has the same power and authority he had. Who has a kind and gentle image like a lamb, who talks like a dragon.

This Second Beast would make the world worship 'the image' of the Antichrist (beast) who precedes him, and cause all who live on earth, to receive the number of that man's name. All must have it, to buy or sell. It says you just count the number of the first beast's name, and it sums out as 6 6 6. No numerology required.

There is only one significantly powerful man in all of history whose name, sums out as 6 6 6 just by counting it.

Now please count the number of letters in this former US President's name. There are six letters in RONALD, in WILSON and also in REAGAN.

He is the only world leader in all of history, to have a birth name like that. Ronald Wilson Reagan absolutely was an 'image President'. The most popular in US history, he was and still is virtually worshiped by his many followers.

He is also referred to by many, as the Great Communicator for his notable eloquence.

He was mortally wounded while in office, and he astonished the world when he shrugged it off.

He was also succeeded immediately by a tough talking man, with a kind and gentle "lamby" image. George H. W. Bush ran on the platform of "a kinder gentler America". Yet he talked tough of war, and then invaded Iraq. His son carries on the agenda.

Revelation states that the second beast would have the power to call down fire from heaven. Bush and his son, have been raining fire down all over the world. Their catch phrase should be, Bombs R Us.


After immediately establishing diplomatic relations with The
Vatican, in stark defiance of the Constitution. The Reagan
administration next expanded our Social Security number from
9 to 18 digits. If you don't believe me look at any post Reagan
era Social Security card. There are the usual 9 digits on the
front, and an addition 9 digits on the back printed in red. You
cannot legally have a job, or a bank account without it.

The US Federal government has long said eventually we will have to go cashless, and all transactions will be by debit card. This to counteract counterfeiting and terrorism. By Federal law (Reagan did this too), all Electronic Funds Transfer accounts, debit cards etc., must use your Social Security number as your account number. The digits are scrambled to protect your identity, but it is your SS number.

Surely in response to terrorism, this plan shall move forth quickly.

There will be additional convenient acts of terrorism
(reminiscent of the Reichstag fire IMO) to further
justify our "trading some of our freedoms for safety",
as Bush Jr. once said.

That right there is high treason IMO. Freedom is what America
is all about, or at least it was.


Natasha
  #4  
09-13-03, 05:20 PM
Glenn
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Unhappy The Pianist

Last night my wife and I watched The Pianist; about a world-class pianist in Warsaw who survived the Ghetto and WWII.

As I watched the events unfold, all I could think was how well we have learned from the Nazis. If you just take away freedoms a little bit at a time, no one complains too loudly. The cumulative effect can still be devastating.
  #5  
09-13-03, 06:54 PM
Natasha (again)
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Well said Glenn.

Isn't it amazing how well the fascist formula
works?

Even though the entire world observed what
happened in Germany just a relatively short
time ago, it is happening here and now.

It seems that Toynbee was right.
The only thing we have learned
from history, is that we fail to
learn from history.


I believe the MARKET crash and the seeming
resulting economic depression were purposely
engineered. As a strategy to get everyones
mind occupied with survival, rather than upon
what is going on around them.

Hard times rearrange peoples priorities. So
whatever abuses they do manage to
notice, as long as it doesn't affect them
directly are less important compared to their
own survival.

If you want to boil a frog in a
pot without a lid. Put it in cold
water, and turn on the heat.

Then let it come to boil slowly.
This way the poor creature has
no idea what is happening, until
it is too late.

You are right Glenn. That is exactly what they are doing
to us right now.

Further, there is real evidence that the same
people who are behind the New World Order,
were also behind the Third Reich. Follow the
money to the same doorsteps.
  #6  
09-14-03, 10:35 AM
Natasha (again)
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Some people say that Nero was the Antichrist.

All you have to do to settle that, is consider this.

In Nero's time the known world was far smaller than it is
today. It was not even possible for Nero to either know,
or to be known of, "all who dwell upon the earth".
Neither was it possible for his immediate successor to
cause "all who live upon the earth", to receive his name,
his mark (old word for signature), or the number of his
name to be allowed to buy or sell.

This is so for the following reasons.

1. What that false doctrine makes 666 of is Nero's title,
not his name as Revelation specifies.

2. This is accomplished using numerology. Which is so
arbitrary it can be used to make 666 out of any word,
because there are thousands of numerological
formulas. Revelation instructs us to 'count' the number
of his 'name'.

3. Nero was not "immediately succeeded" by 'anyone'
"having the same power and authority", as Revelation
states the AC would be.

4. Nero was not mortally wounded and survived it to
"astonish the entire world". Neither at any time did
"all who dwell upon the earth" worship his image,
wonder after him, say who is like unto the beast who
is able to make war against him?, etc., etc..

5. Neither did his immediate successor "having the same
power and authority", call fire down from heaven.

6. Neither was it technologically or logistically possible in
those days. For Nero's immediate successor "having the
same power and authority", IF HE HAD ONE. To "cause
all who dwell upon the earth to receive the mark, the
name, or the number of the name", etc.. Let alone forbid
all buying and selling without it, ....... because,

Rome as large an empire as it was. Was unaware of most
of the world's people, or even the geographical areas they
dwelt upon. They thought the world was flat. They had no
idea the western hemisphere even existed. Much of the
world in fact, at that time relied on the barter system, and
had never seen a Roman coin.

None of this happened because,

a. There was no mass media reaching "all who dwell upon
the face of the earth".

b. Rome did not have an Air Force with bombers.

c. The technological ability to control all buying and selling
GLOBALLY at that, DID NOT EXIST AT THAT TIME.

There is some connection to Rome involved in all of this
however. The first thing Reagan did upon assuming
office. Was to establish diplomatic relations with the
Vatican. Prior to Reagan, this had never been done.
  #7  
09-14-03, 04:52 PM
uriela
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Didjaknow?

The Archdiocese of Chicago is the only archdiocese in the world that is incorporated. That's why Cardinal Francis George can sell the archdiocesal mansion and take the proceeds for himself. This situation is not very pleasing to the Vatican. It is also the largest archdiocese in the world (I'm pretty sure that is what I heard.).

To stay on good terms with the Vatican Cardinal George makes numerous trips there. They try to send Frank incensed. He's more pleasant that way.

Other trivia:

The Vatican opposed the US invasion of Iraq.

The president should not have graduated high school but he graduated from Yale, even though his main scholastic achievement was partying hearty.

The media claims his approval rating is 55 per cent. I wonder who they polled.

Congress almost unanimously passed the infamous Patriot Act in reaction to the fall of the Twin Towers. Did they lose their minds too?
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09-14-03, 05:09 PM
Natasha (again)
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I didn't know that.

Very interesting.

I am not a big fan of the Vatican, but I am not anti
Catholic. For one thing the Vatican has always
been very anti-Semitic. I am not sure which killed
more Jews, the Inquisition or the Holocaust. Of
course millions upon millions were murdered.

Some of my relatives among them.

Bush Jr., well he's obviously a scion, and a puppet
of his father. His IQ, is average at best.

From YALE to the Presidency, it is obvious that Jr.,
is benefiting from his connection to his "dad". It
didn't hurt to have his brother as Governor of
Florida during the "election" either.

Just thinking about it, gives me butterflies.

Natasha
  #9  
09-14-03, 08:39 PM
uriela
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Free the Butterflies!

It gives me butterflies too. Thinking about us becoming a nuclear nation again is horrifying. It seems only wishes that we would stop meddling in other nations' affairs and pay more attention to our own. We have become the worst example in the way our nation has behaved. The expenses are horrendous. I don't like becoming the Ugly American all over again. I don't like our neglect of the poor for the benefit of those who do not need it. I don't like anyone who destroys our own country just because they hate someone else. That itself seems like a coverup for a job badly done. I wish the whole lot of our so-called leaders would just go into exile since they can't seem to get any sense. But without a government we would just be like Afghanistan and Iraq, who don't have any since we did away with theirs.

It seems like only yesterday that we finished paying for World War II. And now we are at creating new holocausts for power and oil, which will be exhausted in a few decades. Why couldn't Jr. have been satisfied with an Esso station? Being an oil tycoon was beyond his ability. Too bad it is not his daddy's money bailing us out of this one. His credit may be good, but not that good.


Shalom! Pax! Hoa binh! Ruhe!

Dawn
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