Parents should better not trust their doctor?

[Peter]

I viewed the video and was very saddened by it. I wish the best for Patrick and Patrick's parents in their ongoing legal battle over infant genital feminizing surgery performed on their child without parental consent. The apparent level of medical dishonesty involved is shocking, but not really that surprising.

Peter

[Sunshine1]

Was wondering what is the % that actually turns cancerous?

No, this doesn't surprise or shock me but brings me back to a not to long ago conversation that I had with my ped Endo that when I the person that own the body that who be me mentioned that gee it would of do wonders for my mental health if you hadn't made me service medical residents and also would of be tops if you would of allow me input on my own body as to when or if any surgery was to be done The ped endo a realy nice guy in the end actually even though he tried to do the it's my experience that You would of had infection ...I went Oh you based a clitorectomy on someone that might of happen ? with that he burts into tears and stated you hate me and No I didn't but would of be better to be left alone. After he knew that he couldn't BullShit me He issued a formal apology of everything they did at the best medical center in the Midwest. I could die tommorow as what they did ruined me but things there are changing a little.

Maybe, what happen in the video will change things for the better just a little.

I also had a talk with the surgeon that did the genital surgery and he really thought it was in my best interest ...how I was born was really a societal emergency but I would disagree. My genitals worked for me and my mind was wired for those genitals ....yep they endo/surgeon were fixing what the fucked up adrenal gland AKA did but the rush in way it was done ruined me.


I hope this kid in this video has it better and I hope that surgeon finds some understanding.
I don't know what condition this kid has but before putting a gender on anyone that is born with any condition .....they should ask what that person feels about it.

Any given day lines are so drawn by gender ...nobody calls me intersex but they do use the word miss, lady, woman and everything else that goes with the female gender.

I think that this surgeon should be made to pay for this kids testosterone pills the rest of his life and hand deliver it to the kid besides whatever settlement
they get.

Doctors do whatever they want to us..... and now the kids Parents know this too. Sliced up to fit into this world.


A game : Count how many times during a day gender is used.

[mohnblume]

... and the story might not be finished. What could happen to Patrick, when he will be in the puberty and breasts would be growing? I do hope for Patrick that they (Parents and Docs) will talk with him into the depth and will consider his personal wish.

I remember in my case were they all talking about me, but nobody with me. I was just a confused young person, not knowing what happens to me. After several visits with doctors and in hospitals, the breasts were cut off. I have to say, this still happened to Money's time.

And by the way, listen what David Reimer's mother says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDb-rNvyzkA

[Dianne]

Originally Posted by mohnblume

I remember in my case were they all talking about me, but nobody with me. I was just a confused young person, not knowing what happens to me.

Yes, exactly! I was the last one to find out what everybody else had known since my birth and I had to find out for myself. But my adopted mom would rather I had committed suicide than defied the mandate of the doctors (but she was sick in the head anyway).

[Kailana]

I was just wondering about patrick these days. i do recall watching this on the tv, many years ago now, 20009-2001, its from the "Is it a boy, or a girl" documentary. I'd imagine patrick to be 10-11 or so by now. My only real comment or question is "what does Patrick say he is is"?

As for the comments by the adoptive parents, I don't really put too much thought into what they percieve as boy type behavior. Kids are kids, particularly when they are that young, and in my experience the only girly girls i had known as a child, were the ones from really restricted families/parents that coddled there kids. For all the rest of us we pretty much behaved alike. Now then it wasnt tell early teens that i really think we socialised as being different. You know, like making the little clicky group, of the people you hang around. Well i really havent got much else to say. just that the utube clip is several yeears old now, at least the airing date, and who knows when it was actually filmed.

[mohnblume]

... so Kailana, what do you want to tell here ... I might be to stupid, but didn't get it.

[Dianne]

It seemed to me that she was saying there isn't behavioral differences between young girls and young boys. That wouldn't be my experience either as a child or as an adult watching children. There may be many with "neutral" behavior but half or more of the children I have known are expressing behavior with a definite leaning by age 5.

I think the general point is that no one has a clear indication of a child's gender until the child his/her self can express it. Again this ties back to our despicable John Money.